Last night in GSO: "That's not the question on the ballot."

Comments

[Sean]

great speech. truthful. i'm hopeful that this doesn't pass, but realistic as i head into my own wedding weekend, a bit melancholy i must say.

[sittinginthemiddle]

Even with pulling out the race baiters this amendment will pass by a HUGE margin. Thankfully......

[Account Deleted]

Will anyone speak out against this terrible mixing of church and state ?

[bubba]

"Will anyone speak out against this terrible mixing of church and state ?"

Of course not. Anything that helps The Agenda gets a free pass....always and forever with these people, it seems.

Meanwhile, esteemed rocket scientist Joe Biden makes same sex marriage an election issue. Let's see if Romney handles it properly.

[Roch]

Hey, Sam. You might have missed it yesterday, but I'm still looking for your concise affirmative reason for voting for this Amendment. Will you post it again or link to it? I can't find it.

[Ed Cone]

Gee, Grampa, it's hard to believe that civil rights for gay people were ever in doubt...

What did you do back in those days?

[Account Deleted]

Roch, I explained the legal difficulties involved with this issue and how they affect my opinion. I'm sorry that you can't understand them. I would be in a much better position to answer your question either for or against the Amendment as soon as someone can fashion a workable legal rule that can be consistently applied instead of some ad hoc special creation that is designed to cater to the outer limits of your own personal values.

As you aptly demonstrated over the past few days, you aren't able to do so. There is no need to rehash any of this as there is a whole thread on the subject.

Until such time, I continue to believe that marriage is between one man and one woman. That is a universally accepted rule and one that works well for the vast majority of the world, regardless of their religious beliefs or culture. As soon as that rule is dispensed with, there are a litany of problems with placing any limitations on marriage as I've illustrated in those threads.

I'm certainly not here to please you or seek your affirmation. If you don't like it, too bad.

[Ged]

Marriage in North Carolina used to be only between two people of the same race. The White race. My how things change, sometimes for the better.

[Roch]

"Until such time, I continue to believe that marriage is between one man and one woman. That is a universally accepted rule and one that works well for the vast majority of the world, regardless of their religious beliefs or culture. As soon as that rule is dispensed with, there are a litany of problems with placing any limitations on marriage as I've illustrated in those threads. " -- Sam

Your personal beliefs trumping equal rights for gay people and a warning against a slippery slope of possibilities beyond the issue at hand. Thanks.

[Roch]

"Marriage in North Carolina used to be only between two people of the same race." -- Ged

And you see what that started!

[Andrew Brod]

"Will anyone speak out against this terrible mixing of church and state?" --Spag

That's what Amendment One opponents have been doing from the start.

[Sean]

yeah, as if a reverend speaking out against proposed legislation that codifies religious-infused morality -- let's be clear on where the vast majority of the support is coming from -- into the state constitution is somehow analogous.

[sittinginthemiddle]

"Gee, Grampa, it's hard to believe that civil rights for gay people were ever in doubt...

What did you do back in those days?"- Ed

Let me explain it to you, my child. Back in those days we had a moral structure much different than the societal chaos you live in today. You can only be here having this conversation with me because your mother and father, who happened to be a male and female, came together and created you. The sexual perversions of mankind and their moral emptiness brought you this disease and pestolence that you exist in today. I fought as hard as I could to stop these sexual deviants from destroying the fabric and foundation of this once great country, I am sorry I failed you.

[Ed Cone]

Well, that's one answer.

[Elliot]

These "sexual deviants" have always existed, whether you want to acknowledge it or not - hell, some of them helped establish the first democracy in recorded history. By the way, nothing could more quickly destroy the fabric and foundation of this country than to establish laws that codify second-class citzen status for folks who have broken no laws.

[sittinginthemiddle]

" By the way, nothing could more quickly destroy the fabric and foundation of this country than to establish laws that codify second-class citzen status for folks who have broken no laws."- Elliot

I am not aware of any laws being presented that codify people to second class status. Mostly, people choose to be second class in this country, or any other class for that matter. When one chooses a lifestyle outside the norm of mainstream society they tend to be pushed into the lower classes by their choices and the non acceptance of their behavior. One does not have to be a criminal to be a parasite to society, that should be obvious when you look around today. You are correct that the "sexual deviants" have always existed, maybe you could clear up your opinion of how they helped create the first recorded democracy. I am betting you can not give me any facts on that one, it was probably just a nice sound bite created out of delusion. The difference is the sexual deviants from the past knew they had chosen to be a part of the lower classes and accepted the consequences of their choices, today they demand that the mainstream society accept them and elevate them to a higher status. That is not going to happen regardless of any legislation that is written. Now, if you will excuse me I need to go pet my white persian.

[Ishmael]

SITM - your comments here sometimes make me forget that there are decent people out there who are voting for the amendment. This is because the wording of the ballot will lead them astray or that they were bullied into a position by their pastor. They know not what they do.

[Sean]

SITM pwned himself by outing himself as "gramps." too funny.

[sittinginthemiddle]

" SITM - your comments here sometimes make me forget that there are decent people out there who are voting for the amendment. This is because the wording of the ballot will lead them astray or that they were bullied into a position by their pastor. They know not what they do"- Ishmael

Ishmael,

Your best argument is that people against the amendment are intellectually superior to those in favor? That people are blindly led by the pastor of their church? They are too stupid to understand the ballot? What you are claiming is the overwhelming majority of people in NC are just not as smart as you and your bastians of moral depravity? Wow dude, you really should back off on the meds, or atleast seek some rehab.

[Ishmael]

The wording on the ballot is misleading given the true intent of the amendment. Whatever other meaning you give to MY words are your own interpretation. So give it a rest, bub.

[bubba]

"Your best argument is that people against the amendment are intellectually superior to those in favor?"

That's pretty much the standard for these folks.

It's proof positive of the old Henry Adams' line: "There is no such thing as an underestimate of average intelligence.

[sittinginthemiddle]

"The wording on the ballot is misleading given the true intent of the amendment." Ishmael

Possibly, the majority of NC residents who are voting to pass this amendment, understand the wording perfectly and understand the true intent. It is more likely that you and your morally bankrupt minions don't understand what is wanted and needed in a structured civilized society. Bottom line, you lose.

[sittinginthemiddle]

'These "sexual deviants" have always existed, whether you want to acknowledge it or not - hell, some of them helped establish the first democracy in recorded history.'- ELLIOT

Elliot, I am still waiting for you to give us some facts on how your beloved sexual deviants helped craft the first democracy in history. Surely when making such a profound statement one would have the factual basis in which to support it.

Unless......

[Elliot]

Unless a cursory history of ancient Athens is completely foreign to you, STIM. Over the long arc of history the ideas of these pederasts and homosexuals filtered through the Magna Carta, English Common Law, the writings of John Locke and eventually to people like Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton and John Jay. Many of our critical Framers were big fans of these sexual deviants.

[sittinginthemiddle]

Elliot, again I didn't ask for your opinion, I ask for FACTS. You do understand the difference?

[Elliot]

I think a couple of cherry-picked facts would be less useful to you than a semester of high school level Western Civ.

[sittinginthemiddle]

Elliot, again you don't answer the question with any factual basis. You and your minions lost yesterday by a resounding 61-39 percent. So much for society accepting your sexual deviants as intellectual superiors.
It appears as though only the bottom feeders still adhere to such nonsense.