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Jan 20, 2012

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polifrog

Nice!

A full service stage minstrel.

cg

Oh man, compare the President's brand of woo to Newt's. No contest.

David Wharton

Poli, that comment is utterly disgusting.

HRH

I'd take Obama's musical stylings over this any day -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2kyXN4ZVQg

Ed Cone

Ugh. Really, Frog?

No moment too nice for somebody to ruin.

Roch101

It is at moments like this that people forfeit the courtesy of anonymity behind a pseudonym. Why should we pretend that comment came from a phantom, when it came from a real person: Mr. John Walker.

JB

Go cheney yourself, pond scum.

Everyone else, please have a nice weekend.

Fred Gregory

Hey Poli,

Wasn't that just speshul ?

However, did you notice the sour note he hit with this. ( Sneaking this in since Ed, no doubt, won't post on it.)

White House Keystone Cops

"I can’t add much to John’s indignation about the economic illiteracy of Obama’s craven decision to block the Keystone pipeline, but I can note how it is also environmentally stupid. First, even if you’ve drunk double-shots of the climate change Kool Aid, blocking the Keystone pipeline not only won’t have any effect on greenhouse gas emissions, it will actually increase them, along with environmental risks generally."

Obama is hiding behind Hillary's skirt. When it comes to the decision to kill the Keystone pipeline, it had nothing to do with the reasons given and everything to do with Barack Obama’s reelection campaign. Why can’t he just say that the radical environmentalist vote is more important than 20,000 American jobs and a path toward energy independence?

Obama says that the reason he had to kill the pipeline is because the Republicans imposed an “arbitrary” (60 day )deadline for him for a go or no go.. Baloney. For crying out loud this has been the most studied project on the planet ! He has has over 3 years to make a decision .

His on jobs council and even the Washington Post editorial board say he is wrong.. not good for America.

What a tool.


Billy Jones

Better than Clinton on his sax.

Ed Cone

Previously.

Mad Dog

Mr. Wharton,

"Utterly disgusting."

I agree 100%.

Frog should pray for forgiveness.

MD


James

And they say racism is dead in the Old North State. As usual, "they" are full of shit.

Ishmael

Forgot he was not in the usual company of good ol' boys, that poliwog.
Scoot on down with your friens and make some good scum on that water, ya heah?

polifrog

The "nice" was genuine.

But charges of racism when Obama man puts on show after show, lie after lie, only now adding to it song if not dance?

Hello... Minstrel In The Gallery? Full service medieval stage show? Are you people racially myopic?

I realize it requires a racist to assume racism where there is none, but I had no idea of the sheer numbers.

bubba

"I realize it requires a racist to assume racism where there is none, but I had no idea of the sheer numbers."

Lots of them here.....lots of hysteria, too.

As if "minstrels" automatically denotes African Americans. As if the statement was actually offensive......

I love the way they can twist something into "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACISM!" when they need the leverage.

Ernie McCracken

JW, cut it out with the racism. That's par for the course in Eden, but a little outdated in GC.

polifrog

Ernie McCracken, you appear to know quite a bit about racism.

Perhaps you can explain the charge of racism that has been directed my way.

bubba

"It is at moments like this that people forfeit the courtesy of anonymity behind a pseudonym. Why should we pretend that comment came from a phantom, when it came from a real person: Mr. John Walker."

Good work, asshole. More harassment from you is just the thing to set the tone.

My previous comment about you on this matter was either deleted by Cone, or got caught in the spam trap.

This one won't disappear. In fact, it will become public record.

Ernie McCracken

"Ernie McCracken, you appear to know quite a bit about racism."

Deetz?

cheripickr

I am so enjoying your education, Poli. Been there, done that. It's particularly predictable and comical when Roch swoops in to immediately pin your racist crime to an "outing" of your identity on the blogosphere milk carton., confident and righteous that he will make you pay for your crimes by ruining your career or reputation, shaming you into exile. He is of course, oblivious to the fact that there is no one in the forest to hear the imaginary tree fall except he and a handful of other puffed-up sanctimonious white liberal career hand-wringers. The desperation, distortion and outrage only intensifies as the importance of true racism recedes ever further as a force in this country.

Great song though, on an otherwise so-so album.

cheripickr

ps. Bunch of self-righteous, self-absorbed jerkwads

Ernie McCracken

"In fact, it will become public record."

Wow. The bar has been set.

Ed Cone

It seems unlikely that an adult American could use "minstrel" in this context without being racist, or deliberately obnoxious, but I guess deeply ignorant is an option.

I'm betting on deliberately obnoxious, amplified by the bullshit "how could you possibly think calling him a minstrel is offensive?" followup, but I could be convinced of either remaining option.

Ernie McCracken

Why do conservatives hate Al Green? He's all about God and scripture now and he has been since he went sober in the 1980s. The ironing is nutz. Local cons are now gravitating towards the dreadful, God-hating ACLU, yet they hate on a self-proclaimed man of the cloth? Wtf?

Account Deleted

Jeez Louise it is going to be a long year if Barack can strike a chord with the American public by being, gasp!, human and showing that magic touch that got him elected the first time and all the other side can do is throw up in their mouths a little bit.

polifrog

Ed:

It seems unlikely that an adult American could use "minstrel" in this context without being racist, or deliberately obnoxious, but I guess deeply ignorant is an option.


Okay, I googled up "minstrel" and found:

1. A medieval singer or musician, esp. one who sang or recited poetry. 2. A member of a band of entertainers with blackened faces who perform songs and music ostensibly of black American origin.

I presume you guys prefer option number 2.

Now I was introduced to the concept of "blackface" as a result of some Ted Danson and Whoopi stunt a few years back. As I recall the problem was with Ted Danson, not Whoopi.

How could the idea of white individuals in "blackface" say anything about Obama? He is neither white nor was he in "blackface".

Yet, you guys go there with your accusations. Apparently "blackface" is what comes to your minds when you folks see Obama and read the word minstrel. Be mindful that it is you guys making the connection when another could be chosen.

Perhaps all of you should explore what darkness in you drives you to view Obama as a white man in "blackface" rather than the black man that he is.

Another point. Although I sometimes access the internet via an IP address named John Walker, I am not an IP address.

sean

"Perhaps all of you should explore what darkness in you drives you to view Obama as a white man in "blackface" rather than the black man that he is."

dude, you're about 10 feet deep in a ditch with these follow ups. are you for real?

Fred Gregory

Pay attention here.

Keystone XL: VOtING FOT THE STONE AGE..Yesterday, as expected, President Obama rejected the Keystone XL pipeline, a private infrastructure project.

"The Keystone decision only makes sense in the context of a general push to limit energy supply and roll back our industrial economy and all its amazing gifts. Part and parcel of this same effort has been the growing opposition to natural gas fracking. Fracking is an underground procedure that has been used safely and succesfully for decades to extend the life of older oil wells. Fracking is one reason that serial predictions of older fields “running out of oil” have been repeatedly incorrect.

Recently, though, fracking has presented the promise of substantially inreasing our domestic energy supply by opening up new shale formations previously thought to be impossible to produce. With this new promise, anti-growth, anti-energy environmentalists have suddenly taken notice, and are gearing up to try to kill this exciting (and ironically quite clean) new energy source.

Both the opposition to the pipeline and fracking share a quasi-irrational (“I’m blogging against the modern economy from my iPhone”), almost aesthetic distaste for energy production, the modern industrial economy, and capitalism itself. Fortunately, though, a quest for a sort of Medieval socialism does not play well with American voters, so opponents cast about for logical-sounding arguments that focus-group better. My guess is that the appeal of inexpensive, domestically-sourced energy will be strong enough to overcome these attacks."

Ley's hope so !

RTWT


RBM

Whoa 'Pay Attention' you are a squirrel finding a nut, good for you RG !!

I've read many of Forbes statements on energy. This is the first I've read by Warren Meyer.

Sooo, you get the nut - 'quasi-irrational.

However you have to give up half of the nut:

Fracking is one reason that serial predictions of older fields “running out of oil” have been repeatedly incorrect.

It's unclear why Mayer put parentheses on my emphasized text, but it's not about that, anyway.

Read up on decline versus depletion versus flow rates. Fair Warning, this data is liable to kick your preconceptions to the curb.

To be clear, there will be oil in the ground for decades to come. If you are around in ~ 2016 (2020 if the economy stays in the crapper) we can check to see how much in the context of the day's news.

Andrew Brod

Frog should appreciate Fred's attempts to change the subject.

bubba

"....but I guess deeply ignorant is an option."

You and your hysteric Peanut Gallery qualify quite well in that regard.

There's been lots of absurd notions put forth on this blog over the years by people who share your warped sensibilities, but this one beats them all.

Congratulations. You've all outdone yourselves in establishing a new all time low.

Fec

And yet Frog wonders why I outed him and put his comments in moderation. I understand there's a Klan chapter just up the road from Eden in Pelham.

polifrog

Sean:

...are you for real?

Of course I am.

When the greater influence in my life is Tull while the greater influence in your life (and others here) is apparently "blackface" entertainment, then does that not say more of your racism than any lack thereof of mine?

All of you are working under the presumption of racism where there there is none.

You, Sean, are the racist.

And...

Fec:

I understand there's a Klan chapter just up the road from Eden in Pelham.

You, like McCraken, seem to know quite a bit more than I about this issue. So, I will ask of you what I asked of McCraken:

Perhaps you can explain the charge of racism that has been directed my way.

Andrew Brod

Actually, I'll bet they can't. For you to make the comment you made and then accuse everyone else of racism makes it quite clear that you don't understand the concept at all. In fact, I presume my comment makes me a racist in your view as well.

Roch101

Bob et pseudonymous al, are the comments you write so objectionable that you must rely on people to restrain from addressing you by your names in order to protect your reputations? What kind of man has backed himself into such a corner that he considers it "harassment" to be addressed by his name?

Roch101

"Perhaps you can explain the charge of racism that has been directed my way." -- pfrog

Ed Cone did: "racist, or deliberately obnoxious, but I guess deeply ignorant is an option."

Steve Harrison

"...this one beats them all."

Yes, it does. The efforts by a couple of people (who definitely know better) to decry the obvious racism behind the use of the word "minstrel" is nothing short of surreal.

I think some folks here should take the time to contemplate whether "true racism receding" is an actual social reconfiguration, or a self-inflicted loss of vision.

As I watch you stumble into the furniture of logical inconsistency, that second thing seems more and more likely.

tk solomon

i'm impressed by anyone who can do impersonations while blowing the whistle on a slow motion trainwreck

polifrog

Brod:

Actually, I'll bet they can't.

I agree.

To jump from the term "minstrel" to racism is a bridge too far. It requires the assumption that the term is a reference to a nearly century old form of entertainment ("blackface") and then requires the application of that entertainment to a man that is neither white nor in "blackface" and then finally claim the whole convoluted process somehow says more of another's racist intent than their own.

If I am wrong someone else is welcome to connect the term "minstrel" to racism. As yet, I have only read claims that "it just is".

polifrog

Steve Harrison:

...the obvious racism behind the use of the word "minstrel" is nothing short of surreal.

If it is obvious then connect the two. That minimum is required when throwing around the weighty accusation of racism. 'Obvious' does not cut it.

It is a minimum that I have repeatedly met in this thread when explaining the racism inherent in making the charge of racism without proof.

James

Methinks the Frog doest protest too much.

One of the marks of maturity in my book is the willingness to stand in the shoes of others, to see the situation from an other's perspective.

In this instance, the enlightened response would be: "I'm sorry. It's clear that my expression carried strong racist undertones. That wasn't my intention and I apologize."

Ed Cone

As I said upthread, it's possible that someone could be so oblivious to American history and culture as to have no second thoughts about making a minstrel reference to a black man singing on stage (multiply that cluelessness when the man in question is a president around whom discussions of race and racism have swirled).

I find it more likely that the reference was a stink-bomb thrown deliberately, and with anticipation of pulling exactly the kind of "what could you possibly be talking about?" follow-ups we've seen.

Overt and conscious racism seems the least likely of the three explanations I came up with, although the willingness to walk up to the line suggested by the provocateur explanation might read as racism to some people.

Fec

What you ascribe to maturity is in fact empathy, the absence of which is a primary determinant of sociopathy.

Roch101

"confident and righteous that he will make you pay for your crimes by ruining your career or reputation" -- CP

What? Are you saying that if your employer, family or church knew what you were writing on blogs your career and reputation would be ruined?

When I address commenters by their real names, it is in reply to something they've written. That's all.

It's not as if I've anonymously disguised myself as a member of some fake organization, sent an email to the press mischaracterizing a commenter's comments and feining outrage that his empoyer employs him in an effort to separate him from his lievelyhood. That would be despicable and depraved.

polifrog

James:

Methinks the Frog doest protest too much.

...

In this instance, the enlightened response would be: "I'm sorry. It's clear that my expression carried strong racist undertones. That wasn't my intention and I apologize."


I do not respect your group authoritah ...

And...

One of the marks of maturity in my book is the willingness to stand in the shoes of others, to see the situation from an other's perspective.
Your comments thus far suggest you do not practice this observation.
Andrew Brod

My point has been proven.

polifrog

You're welcome.

cheripickr

“Methinks the Frog doest protest too much.”

Yeah, this whole thread is just one big whine-a-thon by Poli on everybody else’s comments.

'One of the marks of maturity in my book is the willingness to stand in the shoes of others, to see the situation from an other's perspective.'

I'm not sure when I've heard a bigger load of unadulterated horseshit --from the the very thought police who claim the ability to devine other peoples' thoughts and intentions and apparently have little more satisfying to do than wait to spring forth at the next opportunity to do so and then pat each other on the back in their collective enlightenment. You people are so full of shit and of yourselves and you will never see it no matter how often it is exposed as long as that occurs here in your little cocoon where you are the only audience and can soothe each other with knowing nods to the consensus of your smarmy superiority.

michele

Meanwhile, back to the point of the post, I've listened to all three linked videos. Sounds like President Obama can sing! I'd like to hear him do a whole song. Seriously. I think it's kind of cool that we have a singing president. Hidden talents.

David Hoggard

poli, With all of the words at your disposal that could have been chosen to characterize that video of the President, you CHOSE "full service stage minstrel".

Are you really so tone-deaf-different that you truly thought it to be a completely benign phrase while most everyone else believes otherwise? If so, I'm going for Ed's "deeply ignorant" option with a heaping scoop of deliberate obnoxiousness piled on top.

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