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Jul 29, 2011


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Billy Jones

Funny, no one has figured out this Stadium/Farmer's Market thing is about 1.2 miles of infill development in which these 2 properties set dead center.

David Hoggard

As much as I love conspiracies, Billy, your penchant for expecting official nefariousness is misplaced on this issue.

The Market needs proper management. That is all this is about. But to your larger point....

WMS continues to languish, but at least the bulldozers aren't scheduled... yet. Now and again good things come from austere times, meaning, the City doesn't have the money to buy enough diesel fuel for the bulldozers providing time to find a solution.

Meanwhile, my sources say the City has been in negotiations with A&T to turn over ownership of the old stadium to them. I applaud any measure that might give the place a fighting chance at continuing to serve in something close to its current configuration.

You are astute in pointing out that that stretch of Lindsay St. is ripe for infill development. And as A&T continues to exercise its powers of immanent domain, the neighborhood across the street from WMS will be folded into the campus in the coming decade creating an even more desirable corridor for development between Murrow and Bessemer. But none of that will occur until we emerge from national/state/local near-bankruptcy.

We are keeping a close eye on it all over here in Aycock, because we instigated - and continue to advocate for - better connections between our neighborhood and "downtown". The careful development of Summit Ave., Yanceyville St. and Lindsay St. are key to all of this. But the more important key is, of course, money to spur it on. That key is missing.


and a more vibrant Farmers Market, with improvements to the current facility can be a big part of helping this area.

Billy Jones

But David, there are others with eyes on those properties and they have or can get the money they need. And do you really believe anyone with the city actually pulls the strings?

Keep up your efforts, the Market and the Stadium should both be saved but never forget there are powerful people in Greensboro who stand to profit from your community's loss. They've boxed in and have only one way to grow and the properties we speak of are dead center of their plans.

And Ed, before you say it, your beloved little corner on South Elm is going to remain empty for a very long time to come.

As for A&T exercise of immanent domain, it's a race to see who gets it first.

Ed Cone

The lots at the corner of South Elm and Lee may well be empty for a while, but from a generational perspective the progress of downtown across the tracks has been remarkable, and it should continue.

I don't know who the unnamed "others" are who supposedly covet the space used by War Memorial and the curb market, and I don't know how they're supposed to judo chop the City into giving up land for their mysterious purposes, so pending further info I'm going to exhale.

Billy Jones

"The lots at the corner of South Elm and Lee may well be empty for a while, but from a generational perspective the progress of downtown across the tracks has been remarkable, and it should continue."

It took less than a generation to take it down too.

Perhaps you should ask yourself what progress means to you. Buildings and development equals progress? Hardly.

Ed Cone

I don't know why you hate it so, Billy, but there's just no denying that my work neighborhood is healthier in almost every way imaginable than it was before, and that the trajectory seems positive even now.

Our downtown declined, as did so many others across the country, as shopping centers and office parks grew across the sprawling, car-friendly landscape.

But in the two decades since I began renting an office at South Elm and Lee, many attractive, site-appropriate new places to live have been added to the neighborhood (Southside etc), replacing faded and neglected homes, and lots of restaurants and shops have opened. There's a vibrant street life that was almost wholly absent before -- much of it driven by rehabbing old buildings -- and a nice, walkable area of the city now thrives where empty storefronts once stood.

Billy Jones

Hate it? Who said I hate it?

My objection to Downtown Greensboro is only that too much of our city's efforts and resources are spent on something that is little more than an office park/shopping center in a city and county with far more office parks and shopping centers than could be filled even when the economy was thriving.

Downtown developers are free to do and build anything they like on their land with their money.

But when the plans turn to public land and public money... Well that's a different story.

Therefore, considering the long record of abuses by Greensboro's Downtown developers, everything they do is suspect.

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