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May 02, 2011

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MojoNixon

You can do better than that.

Brandon Burgess

My Navy SEAL friend can kick your Navy SEAL friend's butt.

American Man

"Bush had the chance to go down in history as the greatest President this country has seen since George Washington-- the first president since Lincoln to see attacks on US soil and overcome the enemy but he was blind, dumb and stupid when it comes to the truth."

Wrong. Billy Boy was unfortunately in charge when the towers were attacked the first time. Had Billy Boy done his job and taken care of bin Laden instead of cruising for fat chicks 9/11 wouldn't have happened. This is why I lay the blame and the souls of the 3,000+ dead at 9/11 and the souls of all the soldiers lost in Iraq and Afghanistan at the unwashed feet of Billy Boy, and may God have no mercy on his soul when he finally comes to knock on St. Peter's gate.

President Bush is merely cleaning up the mistakes that Billy Boy made. I don't know which president is going to be stuck cleaning up the mistakes that Hussein has made, or if it's even possible. It may take 40 years of a Republican presidency and Congress just to try and overcome the 4 years of Hussein. Every day I pray to God that we don't have suicide bombers or a nuclear strike on our soil, and every day I thank God and count our blessings that we haven't had one. But I know one day God will punish us for abandoning Him, especially in putting Hussein in charge of the country, and without the proper leadership in a time of immense crisis I really do not think this country can survive and overcome.

We are in grave, grave danger right now, and unless we take immediate steps to rectify this and heal the short and long term damage, we may see the end of the United States of America come in our lifetime, and it pains me to even fathom the thought. That's how far Hussein has brought us to death's doorstep.

Dan

mmmm, fresh troll-bait

American Man

"mmmm, fresh troll-bait"

Which is a short way of saying "I don't have the intellectual capacity to respond to the above comment that doesn't fit in my narrow worldview so instead of expanding my horizons and considering that I might actually be wrong I'm just going to leave a snarky comment because I'm a worthless ignorant whore."

Isn't that right, Dan?

MojoNixon

Funny that the Irrelevant Walking Sideshow would accuse someone of having a narrow worldview for not granting credence to a narrow worldview, thus expressed by American Man. Also interesting that one could "expand his horizons" by subscribing to a narrow worldview. But whatever works for ya, Bubs...

At least American Man gives more insight to his persona -- a deluded evangelical conservative (in that order, clearly) who thankfully is part of such an insignificant percentage of the electorate as to be, well, insignificant.

MojoNixon

Come to think of it, American Man is Bubs. Actually, it didn't take much thought at all. The m.o. of posing with quotes first and the inability to respond with anything but profane invective gives it away.

bubba

"Actually, it didn't take much thought at all."

That's good, because you're obviously incapable of anything beyond your basic, elementary childishness.

Watching you self-destruct is a hoot.

Dan

He embalmed himself years ago. Isn't that right American Man? Troll-tastic.

johngalt

Brandon.. You punk.. You don't know a Navy SEAL !

American Man

I'm sure most of the keyboard warriors here would crap their pants if they came face-to-face with an actual Navy SEAL with knowledge of the filth they've posted here. I'm sure there would be red-faced stuttering and denials and apologies and "I didn't mean it I'm sorry Sir" and anything to avoid actually having to face the consequences of their actions.

And then the second the SEAL left their sight, they would spit on the ground where he stood and lament the fact that the SEAL is a better American then they could ever dream of being.

Quite often I start to think that voting should be restricted only to those who have made the personal sacrifice and actually served our country in the armed forces, to those who know the horrors of the world outside of the comfortable bubble the liberal terrorist media has spun of affirmation. Because only those who have seen the dangers that exist and how they have grown inside of our own country are the only ones who are properly equipped to defend this country.

More often than not, when I think those thoughts, I think of just how right I am.

Thomas

Where is Ed? We need fresh posts!

This thread stinks.

Brandon Burgess

lol...You totally missed the point, galt.

Ian McDowell

At least Mojo Nixon isn't as trite a handle as johngalt.

Ian McDowell

SEALS are damn tough and I've no doubt that one could whip any two of us. But they're not the invincible bare-handed fighters of Hollywood myth. They're strong, fit, brave, and used to physical pain, which are tremendous advantages, but their actual hand-to-hand training is pretty basic. That's because there are so many OTHER things they must master, from the use of weapons to demolitions to various stealth and infiltration techniques. The best guys at hand-to-hand fighting are the ones who do the most of it, and SEALs just don't have time to do that much. In other words, I'm not convinced that the average SEAL is going to be any better in a casual bar fight than the average Grunt.

Ian McDowell

I don't want to fight a SEAL, but I doubt I'd get a more severe beat-down than I'd get from any local biker, skinhead, thugneck, gang banger or corrupt Greensboro cop, and as long as I didn't pull a knife or gun, the SEAL strikes me as less likely to stab me, crush my face or ribs after I'm down, bite off my nose, stick a thumb in my eye, defecate on me, sodomize me, call in a bunch of buddies to help stomp me or arrest me on trumped-up charges.

In other words, they're genuine badasses and genuine heroes, but there are more people, closer at hand, that it's more dangerous to insult.

Ian McDowell

As for Robert Grenier's "friend," even retired SEALs have better (and less legally risky) things to do than travel to another town to beat up some eccentric middle-aged guy who insulted them on the internet. As he's someone who claims a tough guy background and has strong opinions, "Froggy" has surely had hundreds of people calling him names or questioning his credentials, because that's how people behave online. No matter how close his relationship (if any) is with Battlin' Bob Grenier, he's not going to have a dog in this fight, and it was limp posturing on Battlin' Bob's part to suggest otherwise.

As for "An American Man," I'd make an obvious point about the hypocrisy of an Anonymouse insulting the manhood of anyone he's arguing with in an online forum, but we all know he's a merry prankster working a schtick and not the crazed reactionary he pretends to be.

Steve Harrison

I don't mean to call anybody's integrity into question, but: If you think you've met or know someone who is a SEAL, you're probably wrong. More than any other SOF, with the possible exception of the SAS (UK version), SEALs go to great pains to conceal their identities. And the ones who don't don't stay on the Team very long.

bubba

".....it was limp posturing on Battlin' Bob's part to suggest otherwise."

I made him aware of the absurdities written by certain babbling fools on this blog. He told me he didn't care, but appreciated the heads up.

Few of you even bothered to read the article posted by Fred, which clearly indicated he was a retired blogger, and other information available about him indicates he is an ex-SEAL.

As for Idiot Ian McDowell, my advice to him is to get competent help for the sexual problems indicated by those projections he broadcasts to everyone virtually every time he posts.

Ian McDowell

Quoth Battlin' Bob Grenier:

"I made him aware of the absurdities written by certain babbling fools on this blog. He told me he didn't care, but appreciated the heads up."

Of course he didn't care. Did you really think that anybody would believe he was going to come beat up Billy Jones for doubting his credentials in an onine forum? Besides being typically delusional, you were even more of a whiny little douchebag than usual by making this implied threat towards a man who'd just said complimentary things about you in this very thread.

"As for Idiot Ian McDowell, my advice to him is to get competent help for the sexual problems indicated by those projections he broadcasts to everyone virtually every time he posts."

Mocking your physical appearance (and making others aware that you're not quite the macho figure so many had imagined you as being) touched a nerve, didn't it?

bubba

"Mocking your physical appearance (and making others aware that you're not quite the macho figure so many had imagined you as being) touched a nerve, didn't it?"

That's exactly the sort of thing I would expect to read from someone like you. But know this, son: You need to get your eyes checked. Perhaps you need to find out the truth personally.

On the other hand, I doubt if you could ever abandon your big mouth cover for your coward's mentality to find out for yourself. Why don't you just send someone else to report back to you.

MojoNixon

Yep, touched a nerve.

Brandon Burgess

Steve, it was a joke.

How you and johngalt missed that really blows my mind.

bubba

"Yep, touched a nerve."

Speaking of cowards and their mentality.....

Steve Harrison

Yeah, I kinda figured yours was a joke, Brandon. ;)

American Man

"In other words, I'm not convinced that the average SEAL is going to be any better in a casual bar fight than the average Grunt."

That paragraph might have been one of the dumbest things I have ever read. You really expect anyone with two braincells to rub together that a Navy SEAL is going to have the same chance in a bar fight then a soldier fresh out of boot camp? You've finally lost your mind. Soldiers become Navy Seals because they're the best of the best; the mentally and physically toughest, able to withstand inhuman and harsh training to become more than just a regular soldier. The average SEAL, in a one-on-one fight, is going to crush your "average Grunt", and is going to destroy anyone who doesn't have some kind of fight training. Maybe someone in the UFC, like that Anderson Silva, would have a chance against a SEAL. But for you to sit there and say "no, in a fight a SEAL is just a regular soldier" is completely ignorant and I feel ashamed that I even read your worthless drivel. Please do us all a favor and hangup your keyboard, you're clearly in no shape to bring anything to the table.

johngalt

Bandon doesn't want to be any where a real SEAL. He wants to be like Che and no doubt has some of his shirts in the closet

"Che Guevara is everywhere. He is on t-shirts, sneakers, bags, bedazzled boots, and even children’s books. The bedazzled boots don’t really bother me so much. Not likely that the person wearing those has actually read any Che and they probably won’t be mistaken for someone who is about to go traipsing through the jungle to start a foco.

It is all the attention from the radical left that really irritates me. At first I thought, maybe they just don’t know what he was about. Maybe they’ve never read his work. Maybe they don’t know what he was doing in Bolivia. But as I watch some of the people who love Che, I am beginning to see that they probably like him for exactly the reasons that I don’t. Because I keep seeing people in our communities emulate all of Che’s most problematic characteristics.

Guevara was a privileged, white kid from Argentina whose parents were about as close to blue blood as you could get. He eventually became politicized, hooked up with Fidel Castro in Mexico, and joined Castro’s revolutionary movement – a movement that had lots of support, even amongst many of the middle and upper classes who now claim to have always hated Fidel. It was a revolution rooted in community, history, and cultural understanding. And it was the only thing Che was involved with that wasn’t a total failure. (I’m not romanticizing the revolution here, just acknowledging that they achieved their goal.)

After the revolution, Che was in charge of the economic policies in Cuba. And he fucked it up royally. This is not my opinion. Guevara got on Cuban television and told the people he had designed “an absurd plan, disconnected from realty, with absurd goals and imaginary resources.” (Castañeda 216). He did some other awful things in his post-revolutionary Cuba days. He was instrumental in setting up the labor camp where dissidents and homosexuals were sentenced to hard labor for their ”crimes against revolutionary morals.” (178)

Guevara decided to go back to what he thought he did best. He took off for the Congo to participate in the anti-imperialist fighting there. Che should have known better. Even as Castro’s BFF, the fact that he was not Cuban was an issue during the Cuban revolution. Now Che was off in Africa, a place he knew jack shit about, trying to lead troops of Africans. Many were incredulous at best. Egyptian President Nasser “expressed his astonishment and attempted to dissuade him, explaining that a white, foreign leader commanding blacks in Africa could only come across as an imitation of Tarzan.” (283)
The Congo mission was a failure, as Che himself admitted. But instead of learning from his mistakes, he headed to Bolivia to start a continent-wide South American revolution. Nobody seems to be sure why Bolivia was chosen. The country had a relatively popular elected president. The people had been through a revolution only fourteen years earlier. The 1952 revolution led to some land reform, a lot of food shortages, and the virtual economic takeover of Bolivia by the United States. Nobody in Bolivia wanted a revolution repeat.

The communist party in Bolivia was not supportive. Che claims they backed out. Mario Monje, Secretary of the Communist Party of Boliva, claims that the Cubans lied about Che’s intentions. Either way, when Che saw he had virtually no local support, he should have turned around and went home. But he did not. He and his group, virtually no Bolivians amongst them, planted themselves in a country not their own and determined to start a war. So here he was, some white dude from Argentina, wandering around indigenous communities in Bolivia and trying to instigate violence that would force those campesinos to take his side.

The campesinos were having none of it. Let’s try to imagine how many times in the last 500 years those people have seen some conquistador come in and claim they were there to save them. This group of outsiders knew nothing about the community. Che and his crew did not know the people or the language. They were so ignorant that they were trying to teach themselves Quechua. Too bad they were in a place that was Aymara and Guarani. And when the news got out that a bunch of outsiders were starting shit, Guevara just lied and claimed that the majority of the movement were Bolivians.

Every single month, Che’s diary of Bolivia tells how they were having no luck in recruiting locals. It tells how the people were informing on them. It tells how they took locals hostage, took their animals, forced the locals to feed them, and made the locals targets of the military. Again and again, Che describes how terrified the people were.

Not surprisingly, Guevara was turned in. He was murdered. Bolivians went on to have their own revolution, a relatively peaceful one. They elected an indigenous man, leader of the once-scorned coca growers union. And unlike with the post-Obama-election liberals in the United States, Bolivians have continued to raise hell every time they don’t like the policies that their government is supporting. Turns out those campesinos didn’t need some conquistador to come in and do it for them. Imagine that.

Every time I see some privileged person protest touring, I think of Che. Every time I hear about some insurrectionists starting shit in other people’s neighborhoods, I think of Che. Every time some twenty-something white dudes audaciously roll into a room like they have all the answers – summarily dismissing the experience and knowledge of everyone else there – I think of Che. Every time I see some supposed radicals who can’t recognize how inappropriate it is to “lead” or “save” or “help” the poor people or black people or brown people, without bothering to ask their opinion about it, I think of Che.

I do admire Che’s willingness to give up so much of his privilege, to suffer and sacrifice for his beliefs. But a person can never give up all their privileges. And he certainly didn’t lose the false sense of superiority that comes with having been told all your life that you are at the top of the food chain. We don’t need more arrogance, racism, cultural insensitivity, machismo, violence, and sexism. That might get your mug on a t-shirt someday, but it isn’t going to make the world a better place.

Imagine if Guevara had not made a new man the center of his philosophy.* What if he had stuck around to fix his fuck ups in Cuba? What if he took care of his official and unofficial kids? How cool would it have been if he had recognized that he couldn’t impose his beliefs on others? How amazing if he had said that it is time white dudes stopped trying to be in charge all the damn time? Now that would have been fucking revolutionary.

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* Guevara’s pep talk to the troops, “This type of struggle gives us the opportunity to become revolutionaries, the highest form of the human species, and it also allows us to emerge fully as men; those who are unable to achieve either of those two states should say so now and abandon the struggle” (Guevara 208). Apparently, I am unable to attain the “highest form of the human species” (not being a man). Guevara seems to have put himself in that category, above all the rest of us riffraff. How nice for him."

Castañeda, J. (1997) Compañero: The Life and Death of Che Guevara. NY, NY, Vintage Books.


Short ..Epic Fail

MojoNixon

"Maybe Anderson Silva would have a chance against a SEAL." Time to get your head out of your ass, Bubba.

No offense to the SEALS, but Anderson Silva does nothing BUT train at hand-to-hand combat. While they're shooting guns, he's training for fighting. While they are swimming, he's training for fighting. While they are hitting the books, he's training for fighting.

Anderson Silva is purely a fighting machine and is more adept at hand-to-hand combat than any SEAL. That's right. ANY SEAL. That you think just because they are SEALS and are bad-ass soldiers also means they could successfully stand toe-to-toe with Silva reveals how clueless you are. They might like to stand toe-to-toe with Silva, but he'd win. Every single time.

Time to hang it up yourself, old man.

American Man

I'll agree with you to a point. Yes, Anderson Silva and some others of the UFC guys and some boxers like that Pacman would be able to hand with a Navy SEAL in a timed, judged, officiated, regulated environment.

But the stupid original point was a bar fight. Where there are no rules and no one's going to break up the fight unless they like you or they take pity on you. And if you want the old proverbial back alley brawl, where it's literally a case of two men enter and one man leaves, I'll take the Navy SEAL, the man who's trained to kill, over a man who's just trained to fight.

My point is still correct. That idiot Ian insinuated that a Navy SEAL would be no better at fighting than a regular soldier, which is still an incredibly and pathetically dumb statement. And unless he's ready and willing to apologize and admit he's wrong for saying such a wrong thing, he doesn't need to post around here anymore. We have no need for people who are going to be as stupid as he is.

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Brian Clarey

Thank goodness Elena Lee9 came along and brought things back down to Earth.
Now, does anyone have an opinion on the Batman vs. Captain America debate? Or, perhaps, a shark vs. two bears in SCUBA suits?
Not to say this thread isn't awesome, but without Ed in the mix to pile their scorn upon, the lunatic fringe is clearly coming unglued.
For the record: I think a SEAL and enlisted man could kick McDowell's ass equally, but that he could probably talk either one out of it in a pinch.

Brandon Burgess

galt: "Bandon doesn't want to be any where a real SEAL. He wants to be like Che and no doubt has some of his shirts in the closet"

--Hi J. The impeccable grammar was a dead giveaway. I see you've read a new book.

For the record, I don't own any che t-shirts and I'm not sure what che has to do with bubba's SEAL friend who is going to come to blogsboro to beat up the non-believers.

Steve Harrison

Speaking of, the funniest thing I've seen in quite some time was a t-shirt that had an image of Che wearing a Che t-shirt.

Ah. Here it is. Wouldn't you know it would be the Onion. :)

I may have to buy that.

Andrew Brod

I think Ditka could kick the asses of five Seals... simultaneously... with one hand tied behind his back.

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I was reading recently about commodification and how the Spectacle seeks to incorporate threats to its hold on the minds of the masses and one example was how Che had become commodified.

I guess Seals are next since we are already seeing Seal Team Six t-shirts, stickers and more. Available soon at Wal-Mart.

Stay plugged in now.

Billy Jones

Careful Jeffery, you keep linking to stuff like that and you be branded a liberal-- whatever that means. ;-)

Billy Jones

Sadly, Seal Team 6 stands to earn little if anything from the sales of all those t-shirts and stickers.

American Man

If SEAL Team 6 was interested in things like fame and fortune they wouldn't have joined up in the first place.

The only tough part is that they'll most likely need to be renamed, since once a team hits the public consciousness it's dead in the water as a closed-doors code name. But I'm sure some Hussein-appointed bureaucrat will spend five million taxpayer dollars to come up with something any reasonable person could do in a minute for free.

Ian McDowell

It's most useful to disregard fantasy scenarios and consider what happens when SEALs and enlisted men actually DO square off in the real world.

When SEALS and enlisted men brawl in dives like Phu's Place in Okinawa or Mother's Tavern in San Luis Obispo (where drunken SEALs from San Diego have a long history of trying to throw their weight around but get their asses handed to them as often as not), the SEALs give a good account of themselves but don't dominate. In MMA matches with fighters from other branches of the Armed Forces, SEALs do well but, again, don't dominate.

Ian McDowell

I recall an interview with one SEAL turned pro MMA fighter (it might have been Brandon Wolff but I'm not sure). He was asked what would be more useful in a real fight, what he'd learned in MMA or what he'd learned as a SEAL. His response was something like this: depends on what you mean by "a real fight." A guy tries to knife me in an alley, I'll rely on what I learned as a SEAL. But if some dude squares off with me in a bar because one of us spilled beer on the other one or stared too long at the other one's girl, using what I learned as a SEAL would get me jailed, even if it was applicable, and most of the time, it's not. SEALS don't train for fist fights.

Ian McDowell

I'd like to think American Maid's outrage is real, but we all know it's just as much of a pose as anything else s/he says. Let's pretend for a moment that s/he's serious.

Drop a SEAL and a young, tough, fit enlisted man into an abandoned city unarmed and tell each man he has to find and kill the other one, my guess is that the SEAL's going to win. Lock them in a bare room and tell them only one can leave alive, my money's again on the SEAL.

But those are fantasy scenarios, involving different circumstances and skill sets than what happens when SEALs and enlisted men DO brawl in the real world. Going further into that realm is, as Brian says, is like speculating on who would win in a fight between Batman and Superman.

Ian McDowell

(The correct answer to that above question is, of course, Batman. He can beat anyone in the DC Universe, despite his lack of superpowers, and is the one that all the others secretly fear.)

Ian McDowell

Now, for a more serious question, why SEAL Team Six instead of Delta? I'm told there's a fair amount of resentment at Bragg these days.

Opinions from anyone not an Anonymouse?

American Man

"His response was something like this: depends on what you mean by "a real fight." A guy tries to knife me in an alley, I'll rely on what I learned as a SEAL."

Now Ian, I know you're trying to prove me wrong, but since what I said was this:

"And if you want the old proverbial back alley brawl, where it's literally a case of two men enter and one man leaves, I'll take the Navy SEAL, the man who's trained to kill, over a man who's just trained to fight."

You've actually just affirmed what I said. Once again, you've brought nothing unique or original to the table.

The real questions now are this: why are you so afraid of what I say that you desperately try and use insulting nicknames to address my points, and why do you insist on making multiple posts in a subject when just one would suffice? Either way, Ed actually needs to crack down on your deplorable behavior once/if he returns. I can say with confidence that this place would be far better without people like you around here.

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Ian I will have to disagree with you vehemently about Batman beating Superman. Superman can fly around the world backward and make time go in reverse. He can bridge a failed train trestle and let the train pass in safety. I mean Batman can use his tools and tricks with his feet on the ground, but I don't think the Batwing can keep up. C'mon, even the joker shot down the Batwing with a four-foot gun.

Batman only beats Superman with an assist from Green Arrow. That's not fair!

Steve Harrison

You're working from the assumption that Delta wasn't there, Ian. I wouldn't.

Ian McDowell

Good point, Steve, but SEAL Team Six seems to have been the actual shooters in the compound, or at least the ones who got the credit. So why them and not Delta? I've seen theories ranging from the allegation that the most influential top brass are Navy men who favor their own to the claim that Delta has been concentrated in Iran for most of the last decade, whereas the SEALs have remained in Afghanistan, making them the guys on the ground.

Jeff, sorry, but it's been an editorial mandate at DC Comics for the last two decades that Batman will ultimately defeat every other character in their stable, no matter how outmatched he might seem. That's because he's the most popular and lucrative superhero in the world. When Supes wins the hearts and minds of fanboys and fangirls and rakes in comparable dollars, maybe the tables will turn, but not till then.

My original statement that provoked American Maid's mock hissy fit was this:

"In other words, I'm not convinced that the average SEAL is going to be any better in a casual bar fight than the average Grunt."

Now American Maid pretends that I'm contradiciting this claim when I paraphrase the SEAL-turned-MMA-fighter who said that his SEAL training was pretty much irrelevant in a bar fight (someone trying to knife him in an alley is in no way comparable to a "casual bar brawl," despite AM's claims to the contrary).

To repeat: anecdotal evidence, news reports and police records suggest that, in those real world cases where SEALs get into fistfights with brawlers from the other branches of the service, the SEALS acquit themselves well but don't destroy the opposition. Because, after all, getting into a punch-out with some Army guy or Marine or civilian bouncer at Mother's Tavern isn't what they've trained so hard to do.

(If you want to claim that the Most Elite of the Elite, the guys on the most hardcore active duty, are too disciplined to be getting into drunken barfights with other representatives of the US military, that may well be the case, but that deprives us of any kind of real world arena to test these claims other than the boxing ring or the MMA mat, and you're not going to see anybody from SEAL Team Six there, either, so everybody on all sides of this issue is talking out of his ass.)

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Who wins: Seal versus Dolphin? Seal versus Duck Billed Platypus? Seal versus Cro-Magnon?

If we give the Cro-Magnon home field advantage I bet he takes the Seal, even without a club.

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How about Seal versus Eddie Vedder in a ten round sing off?

How about two Seals fighting on a beach?

Ian McDowell

Apologies to Battlin' Bob Grenier for missing his post upstream from two days ago, when he wrote the following:

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"Mocking your physical appearance (and making others aware that you're not quite the macho figure so many had imagined you as being) touched a nerve, didn't it?"

That's exactly the sort of thing I would expect to read from someone like you. But know this, son: You need to get your eyes checked. Perhaps you need to find out the truth personally.

On the other hand, I doubt if you could ever abandon your big mouth cover for your coward's mentality to find out for yourself. Why don't you just send someone else to report back to you.

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Now, now, Battlin' Bob, I know that I wasn't the only one to be highly amused when it turned out that you look like this:

http://media.linkedin.com/mpr/mpr/shrink_80_80/p/1/000/05d/359/22523d9.jpg

Instead of this:

http://blogs.courant.com/colin_mcenroe_to_wit/walter-sobchak.jpg

When I asked someone who regularly attends city council meetings if you actually look like this, I was told "yes, but even more [description that earned Ed's rebuke]." So, in point of fact, I've already had someone else report back to me.

But you're right, I should experience things first hand (especially since I'm curious to know if Mr. Davenport really favors the attire I'm told he regularly wears to these meetings). What's the next one you're going to be at?

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