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May 02, 2011

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Fec

Jeepers, it's not as though he approved domestic spying, torture or rendition and then went for a round of golf. Now, that's ice water in the veins.

bubba

You posted the doctored video. Here's a Saturday Night Live-ish interpretation of what he actually said. Ian McDowell has the starring role.

"Ice water in his veins"?

That's yet another loud gong at the Cone Carnival "Ring The Absurdity Bell" attraction that's so popular here.

Grant

Symbolism is powerful stuff.

Yup.

Dr. Mary Johnson

From the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/osama-bin-laden-is-killed-by-us-forces-in-pakistan/2011/05/01/AFXMZyVF_story.html?hpid=z1

"The operation hinged almost entirely on the hunt for a single man: a courier working out of Pakistan who had been trusted by bin Laden for years.

U.S. analysts and operatives spent years figuring out the courier’s identity, senior administration officials said, concluding that he was a former protege of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who is being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The courier “had our constant attention,” one official said.

Detainees “identified this man as one of the few al-Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden, [and] indicated he might be living with or protecting bin Laden,” the official said. But until four years ago, the United States was unable to track the courier down or uncover his real name. In 2009, U.S. officials narrowed down the region in Pakistan where the courier was working, senior administration officials said.

Then, in August, U.S. officials found the compound that turned out to be bin Laden’s hiding spot."

I wonder if justice . . . if you can call one bullet and burial at sea (respecting Muslim traditions) "justice" . . . would have been served without someone besides your hero having that dastardly "icewater" in their veins?

Maybe it's time some of you gave credit where credit is due. As someone else here said in another thread: "This is the world, not third grade."

Grant

"This is the world, not third grade."

Uh huh.

Ian McDowell

Ed rightly rebuked me for impugning Robert Grenier's masculinity. considering how much I love the late Edward Gorey and his work, it was hypocritical of me to have mocked Mr. Grenier by suggesting he physically resembles one of Mr. Gorey's self-portraits (minus the fur coat, presumably). And considering that my own speaking voice is rather "actorish" and overly-articulated, it was also hypocritical of me to imagine Mr. Grenier's boilerplate mutterings recited by Tony Randall or David Hyde Pierce, no matter how surprised I or anyone else was to discover Mr. Grenier looks nothing like the stocky, macho Walter-from-the-Big-Lebowski figure we long imagined him to be.

So it's unseemly of me to be pleased to discover that I so got under Mr. Grenier's skin that his first response to Bin Lauden's death in this blog is to mention me. But I am. Thanks for the grin, Battlin' Bob.

Ian McDowell

On a more serious and relevant note, I've already started chiding people on Facebook for posting that phony "quote" from Bush about he allegedly didn't care about getting Bin Laden (spelled it right this time).

Ian McDowell

(My typing is worse than usual today; there's a missing "how" between "from Bush about" and "he allegedly didn't care.")

They didn't get me!

If Ed really believes that Obama has ice water in his veins, than Dick Cheney and Bush 2 had horse piss in their arties........

JustCorbly

Mary, the contrast between the frivolity of the correspondents dinner and the seriousness of the Bin Laden operation is obvious. But, it is the kind of performance we have a right to expect from presidents. History provides many precedents.

As every teenager knows, faking it is not that difficult.

It goes without saying that the success of this operation is due to the men and women of the intelligence and military communities. Obama knows that and has said a much, as his predecessor would have, also.

And, just to clarify, if necessary, that my "third grade" comment wasn't aimed at Billy's logic, but at the notion that nations ought to pick their friends and allies based on self-interest, not on who they think likes them or is on their side, as third graders might. That was my problem with Bush's "with us or against us" notion: It eliminated so many potentially beneficial relationships focused on one or a few issues.

Mrs. Mrs.

Not third grade:

http://drjshousecalls.blogspot.com/2011/05/no-matter-how-long-it-takes-justice.html

"chop his miserable/stinking body into 3000+ pieces, leave those pieces in a bloody pile at Ground Zero for a week and let every family member of every victim and dead soldier spit on it, and then FRY the rotting mixture with some "unclean" bacon - only then scattering the remains in a part of the ocean as far away from Mecca as we could?"

Fred Gregory

I have read and watched all there is out there about the events leading to the death of Osama bin Laden. To me , though, it appears more likely than not that the point of determination was made for Obama rather than by Obama and that he had been resisting the action that was eventualy carried out. (A resignation took place during the debate..check it out )

What I saw Sunday night was cheap grandstanding.. political opportunism at it's worst ( or best ). Now he is going to NY to take a victory lap.

Stephen Hunter a commenter at Powerline speaks my mind:

" Any joy one might feel in the intelligence of our analysts and the bravery of our door kickers was significantly diminished by Obama's malignant narcissism. The first part of the announcement, evoking 9/11, was vulgarly overwritten as per Obama's view of himself as some kind of gifted orator. The adjective bloated compote was unworthy of the subject, banal and self-indulgent.

Then there were his tasteless claims of personal leadership, his over-emphasis on "I" and "at my direction." Clearly, all he did was sign off on initiatives other, better men had originated. He was ungenerous to Bush, who had to deal with this thing in real time under more pressure any president has faced since Pearl Harbor and wasn't helped by the treachery of the democratic party, as exemplified by then Senator Obama. Clearly, we staged from Afghanistan. We were able to stage from Afghanistan because of Bush and the intel that led to the kill was just as obviously developed over years of effort, begun by Bush.

Finally, the NBC worship of O on the lead-in was mentally and morally repugnant. They used this as an example to bash Bush, mocking the fact that eight years ago to the day Bush had been photographed under a mission accomplished sign, without reference to the fact that the sign referred to Iraq, not Afghan, not the GWoT. And that Obama's course in his presidency has been made so much easier by virtue of the fact that
Bush won the war that Obama and his cohort so opposed and yearned for
our defeat in. "

Chunga

Yeah! How dare the president articulately address the American people? Just who does he think he is, what with is adjectives and pronouns? How dare he invoke 9/11 in explaining the final success of the original objective after 9/11? He should be impeached for this outrage.

Really, Fred. Reset and rethink. This is too petty for you.

Andrew Brod

No, it's typically petty, especially given his apparent defense of Dubya's "Mission Accomplished" event.

Fred Gregory

Typical ungracious performance, I'd say Andy.

American Man

If this mission wasn't a hoax perpetrated by a desperate Hussein who sees his tenuous grasp of power slipping through his fingers every day, then Fred is right and 100% of the credit has to go to President Bush for this. President Bush is the one who led us through the muslim attack on our soil; had Hussein been in charge then we would have surrendered and would be under sharia law now. To say Hussein would deserve any credit is flat out garbage, if anything the constant dragging of his feet should be ground for treason.

This, of course, goes under the assumption that this actually did occur, and as Hussein's cronies couldn't even muster up a decent fake image of bin Laden to pass around should open up even more eyes that this was a fake mission and Hussein is blatantly lying to the American people in his pathetic attempt to keep control over this country. The sick part is once we see through Hussein's latest lies, he'll order a terrorist attack on this country within the next 18 months and will use that as an excuse to not have the elections. I guarantee you that is what will happen and if we the people allow Hussein to get away with it, we might as well surrender to China and burn the Constitution now.

This country is in grave, grave danger and unless we wake up and see the truth NOW, we will not live to see our children grow up in a free state.

MojoNixon

I love this "American Man" character. There is no way he can sincerely believe what he writes -- satire is his greatest strength, and he does a bang-up job of coming across as a troll. Please, "American Man", give us more of this stuff. It's tip-top.

Encore! Encore!

Roch101

"Typical ungracious performance, I'd say Andy." -- Fred

You are not paying attention; Fred, or rejecting the facts in favor of your preconceptions -- neither good. The following are from the president's address on Sunday night:

"Over the last 10 years, thanks to the tireless and heroic work of our military and our counterterrorism professionals, we’ve made great strides in that effort."

"And around the globe, we worked with our friends and allies to capture or kill scores of al Qaeda terrorists, including several who were a part of the 9/11 plot."

"Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden."

"A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability."

"Tonight, we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who’ve worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome."

"We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation, for they exemplify the professionalism, patriotism, and unparalleled courage of those who serve our country. And they are part of a generation that has borne the heaviest share of the burden since that September day."

"Yet today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people. "

But wait, there's more. President Obama's next public remarks were the next day, at a Medal of Honor ceremony, where he had these thanks to add:
"And we’re reminded that we are fortunate to have Americans who dedicate their lives to protecting ours. They volunteer. They train. They endure separation from their families. They take extraordinary risks so that we can be safe. They get the job done. We may not always know their names. We may not always know their stories. But they are there, every day, on the front lines of freedom, and we are truly blessed."

"I do want to acknowledge before we begin the ceremony two individuals who have been critical as part of my team who are here today: First of all, I think somebody who will go down as one of the finest Secretaries of Defense in our history, Secretary Bob Gates, who is here. (Applause.) And sitting beside him, someone who served with incredible valor on behalf of this country and is now somebody who I think will go down as one of the greatest Secretaries of Veterans Affairs in our history -- Eric Shinseki."

"Now, I have to say that as Commander-in-Chief, I could not be prouder of our men and women in uniform. "

"We are joined by members of Congress who are here. We very grateful for you. We are also joined by leaders from the Army and our Armed Forces, including Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen and the Vice Chairman, General Jim “Hoss” Cartwright. Where -- there they are right there."

"And this is not in the script, but let me just acknowledge that without the leadership of Bob Gates, Mike Mullen, Hoss Cartwright, today and yesterday would not have happened. And their steadiness and leadership has been extraordinary. I could not be prouder of them, and I am so grateful that they have been part of our team."

So really, Fred, one has to ask: "ungracious"? What the hell are you talking about? Are you hallucinating?

Fred Gregory

I'll repeat it for you Roch

" Any joy one might feel in the intelligence of our analysts and the bravery of our door kickers was significantly diminished by Obama's malignant narcissism. The first part of the announcement, evoking 9/11, was vulgarly overwritten as per Obama's view of himself as some kind of gifted orator. The adjective bloated compote was unworthy of the subject, banal and self-indulgent.

Then there were his tasteless claims of personal leadership, his over-emphasis on "I" and "at my direction." Clearly, all he did was sign off on initiatives other, better men had originated. He was ungenerous to Bush, who had to deal with this thing in real time under more pressure any president has faced since Pearl Harbor and wasn't helped by the treachery of the democratic party, as exemplified by then Senator Obama. Clearly, we staged from Afghanistan. We were able to stage from Afghanistan because of Bush and the intel that led to the kill was just as obviously developed over years of effort, begun by Bush.

Finally, the NBC worship of O on the lead-in was mentally and morally repugnant. They used this as an example to bash Bush, mocking the fact that eight years ago to the day Bush had been photographed under a mission accomplished sign, without reference to the fact that the sign referred to Iraq, not Afghan, not the GWoT. And that Obama's course in his presidency has been made so much easier by virtue of the fact that
Bush won the war that Obama and his cohort so opposed and yearned for
our defeat in. "

Brandon Burgess

Ah, a double-post. That must mean he is right.

No, wait. I think a triple-post will settle this matter.

Dave Ribar

Fred:

Yep, Obama's presidency has been made sooo much easier by virtue of Bush's careful and visionary leadership.

And President Obama's statement was sooo much more vulgar than former President Bush appearing in a flight suit for the Mission Accomplished fiasco.

A word cloud of President Obama's speech, including the words "I" and "my," is available at http://www.wordle.net/show/wrdl/3561325/Pres._Obama%27s_announcement_of_bin_Laden%27s_death_with_common_words_included.

bubba

"Thanks for the grin, Battlin' Bob."

The joke was you, son. Your goofy grin must have come in the self-realization that you're just not as sharp as you would like everyone to believe, a condition which is amply evidenced in everything you write.

Ian McDowell

Thanks, Battlin' Bob Grenier! I was afraid that my words reeked of arrogance. It's kind of you to reassure me that an amused but properly abashed understanding of my own failings comes through in every sentence. Sorry I took such pleasure in seeing you writhe and sputter; perhaps I need to send you a nice bouquet of flowers.

Fred Gregory

Attention pronoun counter Ribar:

The First Person Presidency

"President Obama takes credit for operations that would have been impossible had Senator Obama’s views prevailed.


Here are a few excerpts from President Obama’s speech on Sunday night about the killing of Osama bin Laden.

“Tonight, I can report . . . And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta . . . I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden . . . I met repeatedly with my national security team . . . I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action. . . . Today, at my direction . . . I’ve made clear . . . Over the years, I’ve repeatedly made clear . . . Tonight, I called President Zardari . . . and my team has also spoken. . .These efforts weigh on me every time I, as Commander-in-Chief . . . Finally, let me say to the families . . . I know that it has, at times, frayed. . . .”

Most of these first-person pronouns could have been replaced by either the first-person plural (our, we) or proper nouns (the United States, America). But they reflect a now well-known Obama trait of personalizing the presidency.

The problem of first-personalizing national security is twofold. One, it is not consistent. Good news is reported by Obama in terms of “I”; bad news is delivered as “reset,” “the previous administration,” “in the past”: All good things abroad are due to Obama himself; all bad things are still the blowback from George W. Bush.

Two, there is the small matter of hypocrisy. The protocols for taking out Osama bin Laden were all established by President Bush and all opposed by Senator and then candidate Obama. Yet President Obama never seeks to explain that disconnect; indeed, he emphasizes it by the overuse of the first person. When the president reminds us this week of what “over the years I’ve repeatedly made clear,” does he include his opposition to what he now has institutionalized? "

Mr. Never had an original thought

Mission accomplished. Really.

Mr. Never had an original thought

Protocols established by the appointed one were responsible for taking out Osama? Keep it up Fred, history will not be rewritten just to erase to the right's wrongs. Better men will admit the man they put their faith in failed while the man they doubted succeeded. That's really what's eating you.

Credit for junior?

"My, my, my how the reich wingers are going nuts! They truly believe George Bush should get all the credit in killing Osama bin Laden. But here’s what I don’t get….

"….the right wingers of America since 9/11/01 said the reason why 9/11 happened is because Bill Clinton did not get Osama bin Laden. Before 9/11 and after 9/11 of the year 2001 to the year 2008, George Bush did not get Osama bin Laden either, but yet, 2.4 years into President Obama’s presidency, he gets Osama bin Laden in Pakistan after he’s talked about it numerous times (starting on the campaign trail in 2008!), but the wingers want us to believe it’s Georgie who should get all the credit!

"What a bunch of bullshit being spewed by the right wing again in this country.

"George Bush said right after 9/11 that he wanted Osama dead or alive, but yet, six months later he said in a press conference that he wasn’t concerned where Osama bin Laden was. Not only that, but the CIA had Osama in their sites on the Afghan/Pakistan border in Tora Bora and ole Georgie didn’t act upon it! He allowed Osama to go into Pakistan!

"Speaking of Pakistan….we now know Pakistan was the country we should have invaded right from the start, but instead, Georgie wanted to go to war in Iraq because Saddam tried to kill his daddy years ago! Yeah, yeah, the guy who is being given all the credit in Osama bin Laden being killed under President Obama’s watch is the same guy who killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis and ignoring the one country where America’s #1 Terrorist was living! We should have put all our might into Afghanistan, but Georgie wanted it to be a failure there, so he could have his illegal war in Iraq. Had he not taken most of our soldiers out of Afghanistan, we would have had Osama by now, but then again, Georgie was always protected of Osama and his family. Hell, George Bush is the president of the United States who was at the helm of our great nation two days after 9/11 who ALLOWED THE BIN LADENS IN AMERICA TO FLY OUT OF OUR COUNTRY BACK TO THEIR COUNTRIES! Why again? Americans were grounded, remember? Oh, but Georgie cared more about the safety of the bin Ladens than he did for the American people! He and his cronies allowed 9/11 to happen to get back into Iraq, but what they never gambled on was the fact that in the future there would be a President Obama who would remain true to his word: HE WOULD TRACK OSAMA BIN LADEN DOWN AND IF HE HAD THE CHANCE WHILE IN OFFICE, HE WOULD GIVE THE COMMAND TO HAVE HIM KILLED IF HE WON THE ELECTION IN 2008…."

Jim Langer

I am sure the many fine people posting here are all much better candidates for making the kinds of choices that this President and the past one have had to. I hope some of you run this go round. Someone here, certainly, has the wherewithal to right the ship of state and defeat the hordes.

Fred Gregory

Altogether now, “gutsy”, Obama was gutsy to say OK to the bin Laden raid. Gusty. Say it again …

One thing about the Dems when they want to try to sell something they are very good at syncing the talking points.

In an attempt to make the Jr. Chipmunk sitting in the small chair in the so-called “iconic” photo seem more than he is, we have our word of the day as spread by the usual suspects. Toby Harnden caught the attempt. First John Brennan (wow, should that guy be somewhere else saying “would you like fries with that”, or what?) in the White House briefing room:

"When President Obama was faced with the opportunity to act upon this, the president had to evaluate the strength of that information and then made what I believe was one of the most gutsiest calls of any president in recent memory."

Yup. Definitely more gutsy than ordering the surge in Iraq in the face of a political firestorm. Gutsy.

Then the French looking guy who I believe claims to have served in Viet Nam, John Kerry, was next up:

"This was a gutsy decision by the president. A lot of things could have gone wrong."

No kidding – that chair could have turned over and dumped him in the floor. Gutsy.

DiFi takes a run at it:

"It was a very gutsy decision made by the president. I mean, he could have sent some Hellfire missiles in there and destroyed everybody and everything. "

Well, there you go – Much gutsier to risk the lives of our troops than to risk the lives of others, no? Gutsy."

McQuain goes on exquisitely .

RTWT. LOL

Andrew Brod

I agree with Fred. It makes no sense to give Obama any credit for this. The credit should go to Bush, Bush, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, and even Eisenhower.

Sean Hannity

"the Jr. Chipmunk sitting in the small chair" -- Fred Gregory

You're a great American, Fred.

Billy Jones

Had Bush kept his eye on Osama instead of diverting to Iraq to get Saddam for WMDs that didn't exist we would have been having this conversation 5 or more years ago and McCain or some other Republican would be in the Whitehouse today.

And 5000 American military lives would have been saved.

Bush had the chance to go down in history as the greatest President this country has seen since George Washington-- the first president since Lincoln to see attacks on US soil and overcome the enemy but he was blind, dumb and stupid when it comes to the truth.

Afghanistan didn't have oil so he chose Iraq instead.

Obama made a decision and got the man Bush could never get. Gutsy? Hell, I don't know and I don't care but it was the decision Bush let slip through his hands.

Fred Gregory

Squandering our victory: A SEAL speaks out

"By now, May 3, 2011, the stories about how this successful operation is going to ensure a Barack Obama victory in 2012 are legion. I even got an email to that effect on the night of the 1st when we were all basking in the afterglow of UBL’s demise. I’ll admit the thought had crossed my mind, but I dismissed it immediately secure in the knowledge that if any POTUS could fuck this up, he was sure to be The One. Right on schedule, the Administration has already put out several conflicting versions of actions on the objective, and I have yet to see somebody from the military nay the SEAL community on a podium at the Pentagon laying out the operation and answering (or not answering) questions. The Bush Administration was very good at this, and when some major military operation took place, the White House would direct the media to the Pentagon where some General or Admiral held a press conference often with video clips and some Powerpoint slides showing some the mission highlights. The Bush White House was happy to let the experts handle things and show a unified front.

Meanwhile, between NSC staffers, the WH Press Secretary, Homeland Security, CIA and a multitude of “Senior Administration Officials” on background, the story has morphed into various versions of events. While the political side of me sees this correctly as another manifestation of the incompetence of this Administration, this vacillation is causing real harm to the significance of our victory here and to the reputation of the SEAL Teams. Let me assure you right now that there is no such thing as a “Kill only “ mission. If that SEAL operator came through the door to find UBL with his hands up, compliant, and unarmed (including no evidence of a suicide vest) he would have taken a muzzle strike to the face, but not any rounds. He would have swallowed some teeth, been flex cuffed, and dragged roughly out to a marshalling area and then onto the helo. To start out with the story that UBL had used his wife as a shield while shooting at the assaulters and to devolve that into to a woman was wounded and UBL was unarmed and shot in the face is quite a large spectrum of “truth”. Add to that the false notion of the “Kill only” mission, and now you have the entire SEAL community being thrown under the bus as wonton killers of women and unarmed civilians.

Are Navy SEALs eager to kill terrorists and UBL most of all? Hells Yeah! But we would not be tasked with a mission profile that excludes the capture of the single greatest intelligence bonanza in the history of the conflict. Certainly we will exploit the intel collected on the target and soon, but if you simply want to kill somebody no matter what you do not send Navy SEALs across a sovereign border to do it. That is what Hellfire missilesand JDAMs are designed to do.

This is also curious from the standpoint of Islamic sensitivity, which is clearly foremost in the mind of this White House. Only Obama could go out of his way to emphasize the respect for the Islamic burial process only to tee up perfectly the conditions under which conspiracy theories are born. The primitive peoples of the middle eastare perhaps the most gullible ethnic group on the planet. When I was in Iraq, there was a widely held belief thatVBIEDs were manufactured on our US military base inRamadi, and that the guys with beards (like me) were actually Israeli agents driving in HMMVs with the Star of David on the door. I shit you not. The point is that coming out with a well laid out media plan that is executed from the Pentagon by experts is critical if your goal is to provide a clear and undivided narrative of the event. Of course, this White House has never been very good at sharing credit and it is that infantile demand for attention that is causing this victory to become muddled in conflicting accounts and naked political point scoring.

Frankly, I am content to watch Obama shoot himself in the foot while still having presided over a tremendous effort by our intelligence community and the SEAL Teams, but I’ll be damned if he is going to be allowed to implicate my brothers out of his own incompetence or political expediency. More importantly, the killing of UBL is undoubtedly a very significant event in the War on Terror and the momentum that we have gained should not be lost by grandstanding, partisan jackassery, and rank incompetence. Get your shit together Mr. President! "

Billy Jones

Fred,
There is no proof in the page you link to that what is written actually came from a Navy Seal or anyone else serving in the US Military. While I recognize a lot of his or her arguments, anonymity tends to steal the punch that the words of a Seal would give to your argument.

Go find a real Seal willing to speak on the matter and please report back without the right wing "grandstanding, partisan jackassery" that you're applying here and now.

As for President Obama: Had Bush not screwed the whole thing up you'd have a republican in the White house.

TooFatForSure

"The primitive peoples of the middle eastare (sic) perhaps the most gullible ethnic group on the planet."

Except for the apoplectic conservative American white guy.

Brandon Burgess

Fred: "Yup. Definitely more gutsy than ordering the surge in Iraq in the face of a political firestorm. Gutsy...
...Well, there you go – Much gutsier to risk the lives of our troops than to risk the lives of others, no? Gutsy."

--Ummm

bubba

"Go find a real Seal willing to speak on the matter and please report back without the right wing 'grandstanding, partisan jackassery' that you're applying here and now.


Are you trying to say that "Froggy", the guy who authored it, is not a real SEAL?

I'll be glad to arrange delivery of the message for you.

Billy Jones

Bubba,
There's nothing on the page to indicate that "Froggy" is a real Seal.

By all means, deliver the message and ask him to prove publicly that he is a real USN Seal.

Billy Jones

Blackfive LLC

Didn't find much on Froggy, But Blackfive LLC appears to be run by Matthew Burden, graduate University of Chicago MS, Computer Science 2000 – 2002 and University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign - College of Business MBA, Strategy 2006 – 2008. He also appears to be in the film industry at S.O.G. Media LLC.

Burden is a veteran but he was Army so he's not "Froggy."

sogmedia.net belongs to Gryphon Holdings LLC, John Wagner 13415 Lafayette St Thornton, CO 80241. with offices in Kuwait, their primary business being "Ad hoc passenger charter flights with a South African Civil Aviation Authority air operator certificate with flights in "African, Middle Eastern and South Central Asian regions. In addition to the routes between Kuwait City, Baghdad, Kandahar and Dubai, Gryphon also provides ad hoc charter services throughout the aforementioned regions."

SOG claims to be made up entirely of US Veterans, some who served in Special Operations but it appears that none are currently serving in any branch of the US Military.

Most of SOGs personel seem to be living outside of the USA but most of them don't appear to be on military bases. It appears that SOG has outsourced much of its personnel including their Recruiter, Ravi kumar amanchi who lives in Hyderabad, India.


It may well be that "Froggy" is a real USN SEAL but it appears he needs to brush up on his Intel.


Real patriots, these guys, outsourcing American jobs while trying to influence American politics while hiding behind fictitious names. dodging US taxes and colluding with middle eastern terrorists and US backed mercenaries. But then, that's pretty common for real Seals, isn't it Bob?

bubba

"By all means, deliver the message and ask him to prove publicly that he is a real USN Seal."

Consider it done.....

You like trouble, don't you?

Billy Jones

If "froggy" is currently serving as a Seal then his moonlighting at Blackfive would be suspect by his CO and those higher up-- hence the reason he won't go public and add validity to his claims.

And if "froggy" is no longer on Government payroll then see here: http://edcone.typepad.com/wordup/2011/05/sangfroid.html?cid=6a00d8341cc33e53ef0154323597d7970c#comment-6a00d8341cc33e53ef0154323597d7970c

Trouble? What kind of trouble could any USN Seal cause me that wouldn't lead to his courts marshal?

Jim Langer

Damn, all this testosterone is making me woozy.

bubba

"Trouble? What kind of trouble could any USN Seal cause me that wouldn't lead to his courts marshal?"

None,as it turns out.You're obviously not worth the effort of his response.

He read what you had to say, and he blew it off. I think it's safe for you to say whatever nonsense you want, and he will just laugh at you.

Purple Oats

Haha! Bob Grenier pulls out early. What a flaccid impotent joke you make of yourself old man. All bark an no bite. Pathetic.

bubba

"Haha! Bob Grenier pulls out early. What a flaccid impotent joke you make of yourself old man. All bark an no bite. Pathetic."

(yawn)

Anything else, Sluggo?

Billy Jones

Exactly as I expected.

MojoNixon

Sideshow Bubs continues his steep descent into irrelevance by acting as the courier for an imaginary bad-ass friend.

Nothing says "sad" quite like that. Wow.

bubba

"Exactly as I expected."

Consider yourself fortunate that your big mouth and your unsubstantiated nonsense isn't worth the effort for him to respond.

By the way, you looked in the wrong place for information.


bubba

"Sideshow Bubs continues his steep descent into irrelevance by acting as the courier for an imaginary bad-ass friend.

Nothing says "sad" quite like that. Wow."

The evidence exists, asshole. You're too lazy or too stupid to find it.

As usual......

MojoNixon

Figments of one's imagination hardly qualify as existent evidence.

johngalt

Tell us about yourself Mojo.

Do you still wet your bed ?

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