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Jan 27, 2010

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James

The volume of news coverage of this tectonic shift in Oregon by the mainstream national media has been deafening. Not.

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I hope the voters in North Carolina will buck decades of blindly voting for crooked Democratic politicians in this state who will say anything to keep straight ticket votes in order to dole out the public's money to their friends and relatives.

I think this is the theme song for straight ticket Democrats in North Carolina this year.

Ed Cone

Jeff, I appreciate your passion, but you are starting to spam the site. There's already a thread open today on Democratic bad behavior in Raleigh.

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Point noted. It's gonna be a long year.

cheripickr

Jeff, you're my new musical guru. I've often thought that was just about the most pure, simply perfect song I have ever heard. The fact that it never was released on an album and I first heard it as the B side a the rarely ventured Zep single "Immigrant Song" cements it as one of my all-time faves.

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CP: Yeah, its a good one. LZ fits my mood for the day.

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More on point, why any voter in any state should fall again for the Democratic triumvirate of class warfare, populism and song and dance from teacher's unions is beyond me.

Read Ed's linked story beyond the lead to recognize the same old Democratic playbook:

Supporters spent at least $6.9 million, most of it coming from teacher and public employee unions. Opponents, led by a coalition of business organizations, spent at least $4.6 million, donated by wealthy entrepreneurs such as Nike's Phil Knight and Columbia Sportswear's Tim Boyle. Opponents who gathered at the Grand Hotel in Salem were optimistic early, but as the results came in, the mood quickly darkened.

Ed Cone

HHWCID is a great song, and benefits from relative underexposure.

Also, "I got a woman wanna ball all day" would be a great slogan for the the WNBA.

Immigrant Song suffers, at least for those who listen to lyrics, from that tacked-on last verse in which the Vikings discover peace and love.

It's actually a reasonably accurate capsule history of Scandinavia, but kind of kills the momentum.

If you want a great Viking story that includes some second thoughts on the whole pillaging lifestyle, buy this book.

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I never really dug the Immigrant Song either.

cheripickr

I never could make out that last verse. FWI, "Kashmir" is a solid Zep tribute band I've seen a couple of times at the Blind Tiger. Also, if you ever catch "The Walrus" there or elsewhere, request "Ramble On". He does the best version I've heard. Tell him Doc sent you.

Grant

Pffft. Philistines.

Ed Cone

Defending Immigrant Song in the land of the ice and snow.

justcorbly

What should Oregon voters have done instead, Jeffrey? Pretend that the things they want the state to provide can be financed with wishful thinking?

Why is it that money from unions is tainted, while money from corporations is saintly?

Here's how I see it: Oregon voters decided to tax corporations who make a lot of money in Oregon rather than tax themselves. Works for me.

Ed Cone

Tax and Spend became an epithet, and certainly too much taxing and spending is not good, but it turns out that people want a certain amount of spending, and so the alternative to Tax and Spend was Borrow and Spend, which is worse.

Spag

Then there is "cut and cut".

Ed Cone

Then there is "cut and cut".

Right, but, well, "it turns out that people want a certain amount of spending, and so the alternative to Tax and Spend was Borrow and Spend, which is worse."

People doesn't mean all people, of course, just enough to vote for spenders.

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Corbly: I don't live in Oregon, but as far as North Carolina goes we could stop caving to the wails and cries of public employee's unions every time they come to a budget hearing in front of a locality or a state board.

You could cut the education budget by giving me a tax credit to send my child to a private school like Greensboro Montessori, where upon the costs of public education are reduced because one less child is in the public school.

I'm pretty sure there was a bill in the state house this year, but of course it flounders in committee because NC Democrats are afraid of democracy.

Ed Cone

The marginal cost savings from one less student would be much lower than the price of a private school tuition...any voucher priced according to your logic would be pretty small.

Spag

Yes, some people in the liberal state of Oregon voting on a matter of state law. I read an article in USA Today that said that 2009 was the first year that the entire amount of federal revenues went to mandatory spending. We are in effect borrowing for discretionary spending with no room to wiggle on the actual revenues.

This is the financial disaster that liberal big government has put upon us. Entitlements must be cut or we are doomed because the growth of entitlements exceeds revenues. Even if you believe higher taxes would lead to more revenue, the percentage devoted to mandatory spending would still consume nearly all of it.

I'm still waiting for the justification or solution to this from those who want even more government or who believe in the entitlement state.

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I'm willing to pay out of pocket the expenses for my son's education and think the state should acknowledge that by giving me some type of tax credit.

I wouldn't care if it was just a dollar, but at least acknowledge it.

Thomas

I paid out of pocket for my son's education and knew from the beginning that it was my choice to pass up the free education offered by the state. I never expected any kind of credit or acknowledgement. I'm not going to complain about the rules of the game not changing in my favor after I start playing.

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Thomas: That's great. I'm happy for you. I've yet to start playing the game, my son doesn't start school for a year.

It is not about the acknowledgment, that was a poor choice of words on my part, it is about reducing the black hole that is school expense in local and state budgets.

That is the problem with government spending. Everything is sacred to its own interest group and they come out in force when it is time for a budget hearing.

If that doesn't bother you then to each his own.

Grant

I'm still waiting for the justification or solution to this

Could you please wait in the lobby? We have other patients.

justcorbly

Jeffrey, no one is stopping you from sending your child to a private school. You might argue, then, that you should not have to pay your share of taxes that fund public schools since you are not directly using them. I think that view is based on a false conception of the relationship between the public and the government. We are not consumers buying only what we want from government.

It seems unlikely that the money saved by the absence of one student in a public school is sufficient to cover the costs of a Montesorri school. Even if it did, refunding it to you would obviously negate any savings to the taxpayers caused by your child's withdrawal from the rolls.

cpa101

Too bad they did not think of evaluating the prodigious waste that is in all the government education initiatives first. I bet a cursory look at the toilet they are flushing the current dollars down and would reveal a lot of possibilites for cuts. Relate it to the Guilford county schools and all the failed initiatives they keep trying. Most of these magnet school scams are money pits, especially once the grant runs out.

I guess that this type of election result is what you get when the government has taught the population about economics.....and every other subject.

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JC: I am not asking for the entire cost back, just a small nod in the form of a tax credit of some amount. Say $50. I bet you couldn't even get the NCAE to budge on a $20 tax credit.

They can keep the rest for ESL teachers and guidance counselors for migrants and SROs for when someone brings a gun to school.

justcorbly

So, I take it, Jeffrey, that you disagree with those who claim public schools have no value and that the private sector should be allowed to do that job?

Spag

The undeniable fact is that America cannot afford to continue in this direction. It's math, pure and simple and I haven't heard a solution yet from those who favor the status quo or even more government programs.

Grant

Waiting for a solution to an undeniable fact does not seem to be a productive use of your considerable talents.

But perhaps this is only a paradox to the lowly liberal mind.

justcorbly

Perhaps if we refrain from electing any more people like Bush, and don't launch any more unnecessary trillion-dollar wars funded with debt that's not reflected in the budget, we might actually stand a chance.

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