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Jan 22, 2010

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Andrew Brod

From Justice Stevens' dissent: "While American democracy is imperfect, few outside the majority of this Court would have thought its flaws included a dearth of corporate money in politics."

Kim

Is this not a free (political) speech issue? I am no fan of lobbyist, but you can't stiffle dissent.

Beelzebubba

the nice thing about other people being free to speak, regardless of what they pay for the time slot, is that i am not obliged to listen or confer any merit upon the free speech that they pay for. This recently freed speech no longer has to come in the back entrance or sneak in unseen. It can stumble in slobbering drunk like the whores they are, minus the shame and threat of disclosure.

Ishmael

Great. Now I can be assured that the exhorbitant prices I pay for cable, health care, energy, etc. can go to advertise for candidates who allow these industries to run roughshod over the rest of us.
I'm all for transparency, but the sad thing is most of the voters will not realise the implications of this and will continue to have the opinion that anything they see on TV or hear on radio must be true because otherwise someone wouldn't allow it to be said.
Let the circus begin.

justcorbly

That's the way the radical conservaitvies on the court see it, Kim. But, the wealth of corporations is so great that they have the ability to completely dominate the media, shutting out the voices of people like you and me.

The writers of the Constitution knew what a corporation was, defined as a legal construct, but they could never have conceived, or intended, that corporations would become as rich and as powerful and as poltically dominant as they have. They understood the anti-democratic threat posed by the concentration of wealth and power in the few. That is why, for example, Jefferson opposed Hamilton's notions and professed a desire for an agrarian society.

The greatest threat to our liberties and our way of life comes from within.

Kim

Are giant media corporations also corporations? Sounds like media would love some new ad dollars.

Grant

Are giant media corporations also corporations?

No, they are playthings run by the reactionary apparat for the amusement of the eccentric caste.

Spag

I find some of the armchair analysis about this case amusing and evidence that people are reading the spin instead of the case. I find the notion that this was an activist decision particularly off base when one considers the alternative offered by the dissent, which was to create exceptions to a statute in order to make it Constitutional- that would be activist. Instead, the Majority simply decided to tackle the statute head on rather than rewrite an exception into the statute (the function of Congress, not the Court) as the dissent was advocating.

Anyway, all this decision does is allow corporations to fund a point of view. The last time I checked, the First Amendment said "Congress shall pass no law abridging the freedom of speech..." I missed the "unless you are a corporation". Interest groups fund points of view all the time, which is probably why even the ACLU argued that the statute was unconstitutional.

As liberal Timothy Lee at the Cato Institute wrote:

"I think it’s important to remember that “corporations” encompass much more than large, for-profit businesses. They also include a wide variety of non-profit and advocacy groups, including the ACLU, the NRA, and NARAL, that are, by any reasonable definition, grassroots organizations advocating the views of large numbers of voters. Indeed, as the ACLU pointed out in its amicus brief, the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act (BCRA) prohibited the ACLU from running ads criticizing members of Congress who voted for the awful FISA Amendments Act of 2008. Even if you think it’s appropriate for Congress to regulate the speech of Exxon-Mobil and Pfizer, I think it’s awfully hard to square the First Amendment with a law that limits the ability of NARAL or the NRA to advocate for its members’ views."

Read the decision, not the headlines and the spin.

Beelzebubba

grant: your words have iron in them...but this is the cream cheese crowd. i thoroughly enjoy breaking my jaws on your jargon.

cheripickr


"I want universal health care. Not because I'm a Crazed Socialist, but because I want everyone to get the care they need."

But when the utopian end justifies whatever means...


Kim

CP, wrong thread

Spag

Beelze, Grant and you seem to be on the same wavelength. Not sure yet if that's a compliment.

Grant

Lighten up, Francis.

Beelzebubba

spag: coming from you officially, i know it's said with the best of intentions...you exploiter of great nazi humor.

cheripickr

"Beelze, Grant and you seem to be on the same wavelength. Not sure yet if that's a compliment."

I must confess I've been thinking the exact same thing, with the same uncertainty. It's all good.

Beelzebubba

guys: let me help you out. if you meet me and grant on the road, kill him.

Spag

Grant gets points for the "Sgt. Hulka" reference.

Roger Greene

Anyone know the last time the constitution was amended by a vote of state legislatures?

Beelzebubba

roger, that mighta been when nixon had to pick a VP before he could resign

Kim

I guess we should just stick to the "swiftboat" ads.

justcorbly

>>"I want universal health care. Not because I'm a Crazed Socialist, but because I want everyone to get the care they need."

But when the utopian end justifies whatever means...

Wrong thread or not, it isn't utopian. It exists throughput the industrialized world.

And, no, I did not and never have said universal health care was an "end that justified any means". So, CP, when you say that, you are putting words in my mouth.

Frankly, it is only True Believer righties, like you and the other sorts who haunt this place, who place the profits of a handful of health insurance companies above the health of your neighbors. You act as if a single payer system in the U.S. would turn us all into sluggish dullards.

Why should people who realize they have a choice between seeing a docotr when they are sick or placating hard-core right-wing ideologues give a moment's thought to their decision?

Beelzebubba

down here in the trailer park when one of the local barefoot snot noses runs a 104 fever with convulsions, triage begins with "will a hard-core right-wing ideologue be placated." No one knows what to do after that so we call the paramedics. They're faster than an emergency room.

justcorbly

Thanks, Beezle, for another pointless post.

Why, in fact, should those folks in the trailer park listen to people who don't want them to have health care? People who don't care if they get sick?

bubba

"Frankly, it is only True Believer righties, like you and the other sorts who haunt this place, who place the profits of a handful of health insurance companies above the health of your neighbors."

"Why, in fact, should those folks in the trailer park listen to people who don't want them to have health care? People who don't care if they get sick?"

Wow!

Right out of the textbook. Old fashioned Lefty rhetoric at its best!

Beelzebubba

sorry everyone. i forget which days posts have points. my bad.

cheripickr

(Whoops, wrong thread before )

Beelze, welcome to the fascist racist right-wing hater club. I never was quite convinced you were one of us till now. Cross-burning tomorrow night, Sam's place. We'll initiate you. Bubba, your turn on the goat's blood.

bubba

"Bubba, your turn on the goat's blood."

Sorry, I'm fresh out.

Do you know any vampires who could spare me some True Blood? I doubt if corbs and the gang can tell the difference.

RecycleBill

"The Supreme Court has handed a new weapon to lobbyists. If you vote wrong, a lobbyist can now tell any elected official that my company, labor union or interest group will spend unlimited sums explicitly advertising against your re-election."

America's transition to a Fascist regime is now completed.

Beelzebubba

cp: is there a thread count minimum on the sheets. i don't want to underdress

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