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Dec 16, 2009

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eric

Why Democratic Party apologists are batshit crazy for making excuses for this half-assed non-reform bill. If Joe Lieberman succeeds in killing it, that will be the first useful thing he's done (however unintentionally) as a U.S. Senator.

justcorbly

I'm not happy about the Senate bill, but I accept that it's probably the best that could emerge from that hoary organization. It's unlikely that bill that the compromise committe produces will be weaker, so some good things may still be restored. Of course, whether or not fossils like Leiberman vote for the final bill depends on how much petty cash the insurance coprs have on hand.

The lesson for (real) Democrats is that they need to concentrate on keeping and winning more seats, period. If fewer conservatives and fewer Blue Dogs were in the Senate, HCR would be steak, not gruel.

eric

Ah yes, "More and Better Democrats". Good luck with that.

greensboro transplant

"HCR would be steak, not gruel."

puff. puff. pass.

justcorbly

Better yet, fewer conservatives, since they're anti-democratic (that's a small D.) With a bit of patience, demographics should take care of that.

bubba

Don't bogart that joint, corbs.....pass it over to your pals.

greensboro transplant

just curious corb, do you consider the US a great nation? if so, why?

cheripickr

Lay off Corbs. He is the purest of patriots. He loves his country so much that he would rescue it from itself and the failed vision on which it was founded.

Ed Cone

And that's why the abolitionists and and suffragettes are remembered as unpatriotic.

cheripickr

and now all those obstructionists who prefer that the government not redefine and provide all their needs as "rights".

greensboro transplant

since you chimed in Ed, i'll ask you as well. do you consider the US a great nation? if so, why?

Ed Cone

One of the many reasons I consider the US a great nation is that it has been willing to change for the better.

Two examples are mentioned above -- we have extended the blessings of liberty and the right to participate in the political process beyond the original groups so blessed.

greensboro transplant

ed,

thanks for answering. i appreciate the examples you gave. it's hard for me to grasp how the founders could have written documents like the declaration yet legalized slavery. and although i'm just 50, i still remember remnants of segregation, such as two water fountains in the downtown department stores, from my childhood. still, i consider the US to be a great nation, and i'm thankful for the advances we've made.

i may change my mind in another 30 years about the dems version of HCR, but i don't consider the push to be a part of our nation's greatness. i see it as an infringement on liberty. and it saddens me that so many people believe that the a socialized system is preferable to a free market system.

certainly the system needs reform. the employer based insurance systems are failing. and businesses bear much of the blame for the current mess. but stimulating competition, expanding the supply and reintroducing personal responsibility are preferable to any govt run health care program i've seen.

Ed Cone

GT, the lack in this plan of a major government-run component, i.e. public option, is a disappointment to many people, who look around the world and see examples of public systems that offer care that is at least as good as ours, to many more people, for much less money.

Free markets are powerful machines for the creation of wealth. But why would such a machine be the optimal tool for insuring people who will not be profitable customers?

Profit-seeking entities are built avoid such people, so without some public option, and a spreading of risk across the broad population, those people are screwed and their high-cost emergency care is pushed onto the rest of us.

Nevertheless, we aren't getting a public option.

What are your objections to the plan now under debate?

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