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Aug 01, 2008

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Jim Bronw

Walmarts "struggles" to keep paying their employees below surviver range forever, is a major morale and American Way issue. Obmama is sounding better every day.

Beelzebubba

Obama has pledged to back a bill called the "Employee Free Choice Act." This bill manipulates unionization proceedings in order to push unions on companies, even if the workers oppose them. In the AP (7/3) BushDark's solution to social problems: "repeated calls for American sacrifice." Thats right up there with Bush the Dimmer, BushLite etc.

Roch101

Beelzebubba, you misrepresent the "Employee Fee Choice Act." It does not allow workers to unionize even if the workers oppose. It adds to the current option of a company-wide vote, an option for employees to sign and submit a card expressing their support for a union. No employee is obligated to submit this card, but if a MAJORITY do, a union is formed. There are no provisions what would allow for unionization without the support of a majority of workers.

Beelzebubba

The cynically named "Act" strips workers of the right to a private ballot, increases penalties for unfair practices by employers but not by unions and requires companies to submit to binding arbitration. Public card checks expose workers to coercion, abuse and intimidation as in the case of Thomas Built Buses. Exposing workers names on ballots never remedies abuses by unions. It also removes any rights of employees to negotiate with employers. A vote is not always for or against. This is a government supervised, government organizing system which always benefits government, which is the purpose of government, to benefit itself.

Dave Dobson

There's a lot of coercion on the part of the corporations, too, BB - e.g. WalMart shutting down stores that have unionized, etc. I agree with many of your concerns about this measure, but I'm also concerned that workers have already limited and constantly shrinking power in today's economy. I'd rather see some power swing back to the machinists, the cashiers, and the cart jockeys, but this might not be the way to do it. It's a tough problem.

Roch101

"The cynically named "Act" strips workers of the right to a private ballot..." B.Bubba

No. Sorry, but you are wrong about that. The act maintains the option to vote by secret ballot and only 30% of employees need to request such an option for it to happen. Get your facts straight.

Beelzebubba

Machinists, cashiers and cart jockeys disenfranchise themselves by givng power to power seekers. The swing is always to the power seekers-never to the poor souls who thought they were doing their civic duty. If employers could pay whatever they wanted to employees, we'd all be working for minimum wage, BUT WE ARE NOT-we earn more than that because employers compete for the best employees by bidding up the level of wages. This country is not threatened by low-wage foreigners. If low wages made a country competitive, Japan would be out of business since they have the highest wages in the world. Companies are fleeing because of the very thing that the "Act of Whatever Virtuous Name" does- it burdens, regulates and taxes to a degree that competition is impossible. Countries more hospitable to business are preferred. Any time government is given power, it will be enlarged, abused and used in ineffective ways never intended. The greater the power given, the more ruthless the person who will seek possession of it. This may change tonight, but it doubt it.

Beelzebubba

When 30% request a secret ballot, the minority is revealed. Do the 30% make the request by secret ballot or public display?

Roch101

The 30% threshold is not a change from current law. You stated that the act "strips workers of the right to a private ballot." You are wrong but have yet to acknowledge your error.

Beelzebubba

If the facts are straightened to appease any apologist of the "Act With Good Intentions but Heinous Potential", 29% still get stuck in the ol' huckabuck. The purpose of the framework of a republic is to protect the minority. A democracy is always 2 wolves and 1 sheep deciding whats for dinner.

Roch101

Apology accepted.

Beelzebubba

The fact that 30% is needed may compel a percentage to participate which had no intention or benefit from participating one way or the other. The Act is a scam. Patriot Act, Stamp Act, Alien and Sedition Act redux. More power to government, less to citizens. Put all the lipstick on this pig you want. The pork is in the pudding.

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