The gist: It wasn't clear from the document request that the paper was seeking the memo in question ("Other than the one paragraph, this document only meets the description as provided by the News and Record’s request in that it is a two page document.")
And, this memo would have been released long ago had Mitch known about it because it is "a 'smoking gun' regarding the issue of Chief Wray's lack of forthrightness regarding this issue."
You can read the whole thing after the jump.
CITY OF GREENSBORO FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Jim Collins Phone: 412-6311
From Greensboro City Manager: News & Record Article This Morning
Date : February 8, 2008
From : City Manager
To : All Concerned
Subject: News and Record article this morning
FACTS:
- The News and Record request did not match the document in question.
- The City of Greensboro responded immediately when a better description of the document was provided.
- The document in question has never been a part of the so called “black book”. The document is, in fact, a “smoking gun” which proves that the Wray administration knew about the existence of a document that fit the common description of the so-called “black book” as soon as July 8th, 2005.
- The “black book” was removed from the custody of the investigating officer S. Sanders, some time after July 8th 2005, and “secured” at the direction of Chief Wray. Deputy Chief Brady placed it in the trunk of his police car.
- At no time from July 8, 2005 until approximately one to two weeks after his resignation did Chief Wray provide an explanation to me or anyone else regarding the creation and use of the “black book”. Something that he could have done as early as July 9th 2005 and very well might have prevented this entire situation. With regard to my issues with Chief Wray this was the issue; how the document was used was still unknown to me at that time and I stated that many times publicly. Once the “black book” was taken from the investigating officer, it appears all efforts to resolve the investigation it was created for ceased.
- At no time have I said that the “black book” was proof of racial profiling. This was a claim from officers who either were or believed that they were in the rumored “black book”. At one time, I stated that “I would be uncomfortable if I was a black officer”. I stand by that statement given the way these issues were handled by the previous administration.
- I have been barred from releasing the detail information regarding the “black book” including the multiple audio files of Detective Sanders interviews with the subject by the NC Attorney General’s Office due to a criminal investigation. However, it is clear that copies of all of the documentation and audio files are available externally to the City of Greensboro and, if those individuals cared to, they could release all of this information so that the actions would be “transparent”.
- The City of Greensboro web site provides access to all previously released information which fully explains my actions to date.
Background:
On January 18th, 2008, Margaret Banks of the News and Record made a request for information. This request was based on a description of these items given to her by Seth Cohen who represents Scott Sanders. The body of which follows:
I’d like to request the following information:
• Copies of the CAD report Scott Sanders generated to create the 19 names of the officers listed in the “black book.”
• The names of the 19 black officers who were working the day and time the alleged sexual assault occurred.
• The two-page memo Tom Fox and Scott Sanders wrote summarizing the rationale behind the “black book.”
As always, the News & Record is willing to pay a reasonable fee for copies of these documents.
Over the following two weeks, staff worked to identify each of the items requested and to determine what, if any, could actually be released. With the exception of the “two page memo” the other items were identified; however, we had to determine if they could be released which depended on NC Attorney General Jim Coman’s decision as to whether they were part of his criminal trial. On Tuesday, February 5th, we received Mr. Coman’s response that they were and therefore could not be released but that we could verify that they did exist in our records.
The staff continued looking for a “two-page memo Tom Fox and Scott Sanders wrote summarizing the rationale behind the “black book.” But based on this description, they were unable to locate a memo which fit that description. By that Tuesday afternoon, the decision was made to respond to the News and Record with the information we had.
The response follows:
February 5, 2008
VIA E-MAIL Ms. Margaret Banks News & Record 200 East Market Street Greensboro, North Carolina 27401
Dear Ms. Banks:
This letter is in response to your e-mail requesting the following:
“Copies of the CAD report Scott Sanders generated to create the 19 names of the officers listed in the black book; The names of the 19 black officers who were working the day and time the alleged sexual assault occurred; The two-page memo Tom Fox and Scott Sanders wrote summarizing the rationale behind the black book; and Any and all tape recordings of Scott Sanders discussions with the prostitute who alleges she was sexually assaulted by the black officers.”
We have been informed that “the two tapes you requested, including multiple other tapes are part of a criminal investigation in the custody of the SBI (IA has copies of the tapes as part of its investigation”. All the documents you requested, with the exception of the aforesaid two-page memo, constitute records of criminal investigations pursuant to North Carolina General Statutes section 132-1.4 and are not public records as defined by G.S. 132-1.
We have researched and are not aware of the existence of the alleged two-page memo summarizing the rationale behind the black book. Consequently, there is no public record in response to your request.
Sincerely,
Becky Jo Peterson-Buie Chief Deputy General Counsel
Cc: Elaine Tricoli
I underlined the portion of the text which has caused the concern.
The following day a local blogger posted the memo which, according to the blogger, was a copy of the memo requested. I cannot legally provide a copy of the memo until Council releases it but I can certainly describe the memo as posted.
First, it is a memo from Sanders to Deputy Chief G.R. Brady. The entire first page is a discussion regarding work done with photographic lineups by Sanders during the investigation of Hinson contained in yellow folders. The entire first paragraph of the second page continues this discussion and the last paragraph, a total of 10 lines, discusses the creation of the line up document of black police officers that resulted in what is now known as the “black book”.
Other than the one paragraph, this document only meets the description as provided by the News and Record’s request in that it is a two page document.
According to the Internal Affairs (IA) investigators, this document was turned over to him in January of 2006 during an IA interview and was not at any time a part of the “black book”.
If anyone reads the document in question, I believe that they can clearly see why the City staff, looking for a document that meets the description requested, did not identify this as the document in question.
However, once it was posted, staff was able to very quickly identify the document in the IA records and it was given to the appropriate people and they then contacted the News and Record as reported.
As Manager, I responded to a call from Ms. Banks and told her everything I have stated above. In addition, I said that clearly I was not aware of the document because it was, in fact, a “smoking gun” regarding the issue of Chief Wray’s lack of forthrightness regarding this issue. Had I known about it I would have requested its release much sooner. The next to last sentence in the paragraph describing the creation of the “black book” reads as follows: “These line-ups are housed in the case file book and shown to the victim/witness; this is a one inch three ring black notebook.” (I added the bolding.)
In other words, on July 8, 2005 Deputy Chief G.R. Brady was made clearly aware that a document existed which fit the description of the document which had become referred to in the press at that time as the “black book”. Furthermore, from Deputy Chief Brady’s own words in his interview with RMA on November 16th 2005, he stated “Later, I came into possession of it and I asked them, I said – well I actually asked Tom, I said you guys had mentioned there was no black book. I said and here it is.”
Furthermore, when asked what Chief Wray did when he was shown the book Chief Brady responded “He told me to secure it and be sure that I held on to it.”
It appears this dialog occurred some time in July or August. It was not until the interview with Brady on November 16th of that year that the existence of the book became known to me. It had been stored in the trunk of Brady’s Police Car until that time. And yet, even then, Chief Wray did not, at anytime, discuss with me the document in question. The first time a full explanation was given by Chief Wray was after he had resigned in January of 2006. The unfortunate decision by the Chief not to be forthright about this in July of 2005 has created a great deal of the problems we are now dealing with.
By the time Chief Wray provided the public explanation in January of 2006, I had turned over the investigation of all issues to Chief Bellamy and we are well aware of the results.
I want to state several points because in this media storm they seem to be almost always lost:
- From my very first press conference until today I have never said that the “black book” was definitively a profiling document. In fact, even though I have been constantly goaded by the media to say more, I have stated that it may have been an appropriate investigative document but that I could not say for sure because it depended on the outcome of the various investigations. The issue of the “black book” has always been one of truthfulness on the part of the former Chief regarding the existence of the document. I stand by that position today and, in fact, the memo in question is another nail in that coffin!!! It is documented evidence outside of the RMA interview that Brady knew about the document.
- I have been prevented by the State Attorney General’s office from discussing the information we have developed about the “black book” and Detective Sanders interviews with the subject in question. But I will say this, after Brady took the book from Sanders, it appears that all activity on this investigation stopped.
It appears to me that the reality of the situation is that people outside of the City of Greensboro have complete access to all of the same documentation that the City of Greensboro does regarding these matters. They could release the contents of all of the audio recordings of Detective Sanders, they could release the actual CAD print outs and they could release statements from Detective Sanders regarding who he reported to and what he reported to them. They could do this immediately if they truly desire “transparency”. The City of Greensboro cannot because of the liability and the directives of State and Federal Attorney Generals in addition to the various attorneys representing the many players in this drama.
The City of Greensboro has acted at all times to release information as soon as possible and explain our actions. This document was no different. Once we understood which document was being requested, instead of making excuses, we immediately contacted the reporter.
You release that he could have done this at his weekly press conference or his own blog???
Oops, I'm sorry, he never followed though on those promises.
Posted by: Don Moore | Feb 08, 2008 at 01:54 PM
City of Greensboro: "Other than the one paragraph, this document only meets the description as provided by the News and Record’s request in that it is a two page document."
Wow. That's a pretty thin hook to hang your hat on.
Let's take a look at what Margaret requested: "The two-page memo Tom Fox and Scott Sanders wrote summarizing the rationale behind the 'black book.'"
Is it a two page memo? Check.
Does it summarize the rationale behind the "black book?" Check.
Was it written by Scott Sanders? Check.
Was it written by Tom Fox? No.
So the city wants to say that a record request that was only inaccurate by attributing authorship to an extra person makes it so substantially different that it can't be found? That's just amazing.
The public shouldn't have to make its requests to see documents created on its behalf so narrow that it would have had to already looked at the document to know what to request.
Posted by: Jonathan Jones | Feb 08, 2008 at 02:14 PM
Regarding Mitch's first "fact":
The News and Record request did not match the document in question.
JR's response to that in the "Debatables" blog at the N&R today at 8:42 am:
"To the idea that our request wasn't specific enough, I respond that neither Ben Holder nor John Hammer had any trouble identifying the document we asked for."
And that's just from a first-glance quick read.
Posted by: Doug H | Feb 08, 2008 at 02:16 PM
Other than it is black, this document only meets the description you provided in that it is a book.
Posted by: Mick | Feb 08, 2008 at 02:32 PM
"the memo in question is another nail in that coffin!!!"
Aint that the truth only I think Mitch has it backwards.
Posted by: bobbysitter | Feb 08, 2008 at 03:25 PM
Here's a couple of links that might interest Greensboro:
http://bloggingpoet.squarespace.com/bloggingpoetcom/this-ones-for-the-locals-mitch-johnsons-10-page-memo.html
http://bloggingpoet.squarespace.com/bloggingpoetcom/kirkwood-and-greensboro-amazing-parallels.html
http://bloggingpoet.squarespace.com/bloggingpoetcom/your-greensboro-tax-dollars-at-work.html
Oops! That was three-- sorry.
Posted by: Billy The Blogging Poet | Feb 08, 2008 at 04:06 PM
Sorry, let's try this:
here
here
and here
Posted by: Billy The Blogging Poet | Feb 08, 2008 at 04:09 PM
Billy, you write about last night's murder spree that "Kirkwood, Missouri, just like Greensboro, North Carolina, failed to properly deal with the real issues and paid the ultimate price."
What evidence do you have that Kirkwood was in the wrong on any issues pertaining to the killer?
The parallel you attempt with Greensboro is grotesque.
Posted by: Ed Cone | Feb 08, 2008 at 04:22 PM
Ed,
Should the City staff have caught this earlier as "the" requested document, no doubt. However the explanation does make sense to me.
I am a bit confused here with all of the drama. Yes this document is important. However to me it shows that Chief Wray lied to the manager when he stated it didnt exist but then asked Brady to lock it in his trunk. Why does everyone continually miss this point??
If the book was used innocently as proclaimed in that memorandum, why did they lie about? Why did they try to hide it?
In addition, didnt RMA suggest that the Chief possibly took documents from his office before leaving. Well that seems to be a no brainer. Every time we turn around Ben Holder or the Rhino seems to have access to important documents which they can freely release but the City is banned because of pending legalities. Maybe the truth to this sordid drama is somewhere in the middle. (Maybe not) Either way certain segments of this community have been relentlessly scrutinzing actions by the City, personlizing attacks on the manager, writing intimidating articles against council that doesnt agree with their conservative views, when it is all in the best interest of their bottom line. (advertisement) hmmmmmmmmm....
Posted by: Nick | Feb 08, 2008 at 04:25 PM
He isn't a very good liar and he keeps getting in deeper.
Posted by: Spag | Feb 08, 2008 at 04:28 PM
ATTENTION GREENSBORO CITY COUNCIL:
The manager's response is full of self-contradictions and assertions that are at odds with the facts. Spagnola has done a great job of clearly pointing out the absurdities and inconsistencies.
Every city council person should read Spag's post.
Posted by: Roch101 | Feb 08, 2008 at 05:24 PM
Nick:
You make some great points, the main one being that the document proves that a "black book" of photo line-ups did exist at least as early as July 2005. The memo also confirms that it was used as part of one investigation.
The City Manager should have produced this document sooner. But there is nothing here that exonerates the Wray administration.
Posted by: Dave Ribar | Feb 08, 2008 at 05:51 PM
Dave:
"But there is nothing here that exonerates the Wray administration."
Exonerate him from what? There is no evidence of wrongdoing here. If anything, the two page memo makes that pretty clear which is why Johnson and the legal department didn't want it made public. That is the whole point.
Thanks for the push, Roch. We're getting there.
Posted by: Spag | Feb 08, 2008 at 06:00 PM
"But there is nothing here that exonerates the Wray administration." -- Dave
That depends on the accusation, no? If the accusation was that there was a book of black police officers being shown to every criminal in the county as a way to target and intimidate officers because of their race, as the RMA report asserted, then yes, this memo exonerates* the Wray administration of that charge.
If the accusation was that Wray did not produce documents on demand, then no, this document is not exoneration. But then we must consider how culpable are public employees for not producing information they claim wasn't described specifically enough.
[* I leave open the possibility that the memo to Brady could itself be inaccurate, but proving that the line-up wasn't shown to every criminal in the county, is to prove a negative. To prove that the line-up book was used for purposes other than those asserted in the memo, one would need to find an example of some other use. No such example is known. Although the RMA Report asserted that the line-up book was used for nefarious purposes, it didn't provide any substantiation, not even that one example that would dispute the explanation in the memo to Brady.]
Posted by: Roch101 | Feb 08, 2008 at 06:17 PM
RMA Report
Page 26
Paragraphs 1 and 2
That's all you need to know. If Mitch Johnson had read the report that he commissioned before he confronted David Wray, he would have known about the "black book" being a line-up book and the memo that Officer Sanders wrote. Sorry, but Mitch lies, Nick. You and Mitch just can't spin yourselves out of it.
And, as has been said, the book and the memo are not what's important. What's important is whether the line-up book was used illegally. No one has ever proven or shown documentation that it was used for any other purpose than which Officer Sanders said it was.
Posted by: Stormy | Feb 08, 2008 at 07:30 PM
Sorry Roch101, that can be proven. ask officer A. HlLL about his encounter with the prostitute that alleged the assault. Sanders says that he does not want to release her name because he is afraid for her safety. HOGWASH!! The fact remains that there was no photographic line up or line ups of any white officers, even though Sanders states the victim said that a white officer was present. i don't care how you all twist the facts or other details. the issue of discrimination rest soley on this fact and the fact that there has never been any attempt to identify any white officer in any investigation using the same method.
Posted by: william | Feb 08, 2008 at 08:31 PM
Where does Sanders state that, and did the prostitute claim she was assaulted by a white officer?
Posted by: Spag | Feb 08, 2008 at 08:49 PM
William,
You lost me, how does the presence of a white officer prove RMA's claims that the line-up book was shown to prostitutes and drug dealers throughout the county?
Posted by: Roch101 | Feb 08, 2008 at 09:16 PM
It doesn't. It proves that white officers were not subjected to the same type of investigative procedures initiated by Sanders, Brady and others.
Posted by: willliam | Feb 08, 2008 at 09:29 PM
Spag, don't you think it would very important to, at least, to identify the other officer that was allegedly present?
Actually i believe it was D. Wray whom stated that they wanted to protect her name.
Posted by: william | Feb 08, 2008 at 09:35 PM
Read the memo more carefully. Sanders says that she only mentioned a "white officer" in a LATER interview, eight months after she was shown the photo lineup we all know and love as the "black book". She was then shown more photos on a computer.
Posted by: Spag | Feb 08, 2008 at 09:57 PM
William,
1. Do you concur than that RMA's claim about the way the line-up book was used remains unsubstantiated?
2. Did the victim/witness say that a white officer was present before the line-up book was created or did she bring up a white officer later?
3. Did the victim/witness accuse the white officer?
4. Where can we find documentation supporting your version of events?
Posted by: Roch101 | Feb 08, 2008 at 09:59 PM
The second group of photos she was shown in October of 2003 on the computer was the entire GPD, white and black.
There goes your theory.
Posted by: Spag | Feb 08, 2008 at 10:00 PM
In the last paragraph, Sanders refers to the use of a photo lineup in 2005 regarding an "unrelated" matter. No white officer was mentioned. This is the same usage of the lineup that Ken Keller refers to in the letter posted tonight on Ben's site. It is the 2005 lineup that involves the "black book" in question, not the 2003 incident.
Sorry if there was any confusion.
Posted by: Spag | Feb 08, 2008 at 10:59 PM
go back and compare D. Wray's statements too Sanders statements. Also read the memo carefully. very few of those officers look similar, if any. as of this date why has she not been able to identify the officer? look at your accuser,she is a PROSTITUTE/SNITCH!! how reliable is she? the officers in the line ups ranged from 6'6" to 5'6", from dark complexion to very light complected skin tones, heck one of the guys even had a beard. so, you folks actually believe that this line up was legit? Again find Officer A. HILL, who is white. he can put your myths to rest.
Posted by: william | Feb 08, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Change the subject to something even more irrelevant. Should her story not be investigated just because she is a prostitute? There is no information provided about height nor does she describe complexion.
You are in denial.
Posted by: Spag | Feb 08, 2008 at 11:14 PM
In Sanders memo, he mentioned a alone white officer being present. he states that around February 2003 and in October 2003( EIGHT MONTHS elapsed!!) she was shown another set of photos, Why and for What reason?
Posted by: william | Feb 08, 2008 at 11:26 PM
By the way did you all notice that James Hinson was not in the Black Book that was viewed by city council, even though Sander says in his memo that this information pertains to investigations that were conducted on James Hinson?
Posted by: william | Feb 08, 2008 at 11:30 PM
If someone was considered an informant who should be reliable they should be able to describe an officer in uniform ,with a name tag, that assaulted her at least twice. should that investigation take over eight months is the question? why change the subject?
Posted by: william | Feb 08, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Of course there were no white officers in the line up book. As a matter of fact of the 60 or so pictures in the line up book (19 of which were GPD officers) none of the photos were of white officers.
There were also no women, Asians, Indians or other minorities in the book because the “victim” had already made the claim that the officer was a black male.
Why would anyone other than black males be put in a line up book when she had already claimed the officer was black and had already stated she never got a good look at the white officer who remained at the door?
Posted by: Billy The Blogging Poet | Feb 08, 2008 at 11:51 PM
by the way Mitch could not have read the report before he question Wray about the book. no one knew about the memo until Sanders and Fox were investigated. This was Sanders attempt to save his own tail because he knew that he would be blamed for everything. the memo was addressed to Brady, not Mitch Johnson. Let Brady explain why he did not disclose the memo to RMA!!
Posted by: william | Feb 08, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Ok Billy this is directed to you. NONE OF THE BLACK MALE POLICE OFFICERS LOOKED ALIKE!!! SOME WERE TALL SOME WERE SHORT, SOME WERE OLD SOME WERE YOUNGER, SOME HAD FACIAL HAIR, SOME WERE OVER WEIGHT. IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH OF SANDERS MEMO HE SAYS THAT THEY ALL HAVE GENERALLY THE SAME BASIC CHARACTERISTICS! HOW CREDIBLE IS THE INFORMANT WHO CAN'T DESCRIBE SOMEONE THAT FINGERED HER AND GRABBED HER BREAST. WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE POINTED OUT BY HER 8 MONTHS LATER AND CHARGED WITH SEXUAL ASSAULT! WAKE UP!!!
Posted by: william | Feb 09, 2008 at 12:04 AM
The RMA report refers to the memo on Page 26. The RMA report was completed before Johnson met with Wray.
If Mitch put you up to these lame responses, he once again is showing his incomptence.
Why does it seem that Connie Mack Jr is back?
Posted by: Spag | Feb 09, 2008 at 08:13 AM
Hinson wasn't in the lineup because Hinson wasn't on duty. Sanders only mentions Hinson because he was assigned the specific task of investigating Hinson, and this incident came up during that investigation. Sanders investigates, and finds out Hinson isn't involved. But he still has a complaint against a GPD officer, so he prepares a lineup of on duty officers that could be suspects. Hinson wasn't in the lineup because he wasn't on duty.
This shows that GPD was NOT out to get Hinson. Sanders also mentions in his memo that the memo refers to all uses of photo lineups by him in the course of investigating Hinson and "any other complaints" against "city of Greensboro employees".
The Hinson argument offered by William is a red herring.
Posted by: Spag | Feb 09, 2008 at 08:37 AM
Okay,once again the memo was addressed to Brady. from Sanders. What difference does all of this make? the ISSUE that is going to cost the city millions of dollars is the DISCRIMINATION!! Why all the side bar issues?
Posted by: william | Feb 09, 2008 at 08:46 AM
Spag, this is for you. You are assuming that the investigations in which Ekwensi was shown photographs on two separate dates their was two different complaints? were those complaints against any specific black officer? was it even a complaint? if so what was the complaint? again she mentioned alone white officer. What efforts did Sanders make to identify that officer, who later turned out to be C. McMinn. There was no photographic line created to identify him. Its not all about Hinson.
Posted by: william | Feb 09, 2008 at 08:57 AM
William,
The black book consisted of 19 black male officers who were on duty the night of the alleged crime PLUS a whole bunch of photographs of known criminals that were picked by a computer.
All total there were 60 some photographs in the line up book so I've no doubt they wouldn't all look alike.
Hinson was off duty that night. As much as I'd like to bury Hinson in this there appears to be no evidence that he was involved THIS TIME.
And William, other than you everyone on this thread knows everyone else personally, but most of us have no idea who your are and for that reason you are less than credible.
You see, many times we've seen these mystery commenters appear out of thin air and they almost always turn out to be shrills.
Posted by: Billy The Blogging Poet | Feb 09, 2008 at 09:00 AM
Isn't it interesting that the pushback on these newly revealed facts has been conducted by only ONE poster, and not to any effect at all?
When does Mitch Johnson finally get the message?
When do the enablers, which include certain members of city council, our media, and local blahgers finally get the message?
Posted by: bubba | Feb 09, 2008 at 09:24 AM
"What efforts did Sanders make to identify that officer, who later turned out to be C. McMinn. There was no photographic line created to identify him. Its not all about Hinson."
Actually, the photo line up for white boyz was being made by Scooter. But, when Mcminn (who was Scooter's boss) learned it was being made, he quickly came clean and reported he was there but left when the strippers came.
Posted by: Ben Holder | Feb 09, 2008 at 09:48 AM
Bubba:
Your observation is only interesting for its inaccuracy. Nick, William, and I have all pushed back on this. My guess is that others recognize the collective MDS (Mitch Derangement Syndrome) and the folly of trying to contribute.
We don't hide innocent investigative tools in the trunk of a car.
Posted by: Dave Ribar | Feb 09, 2008 at 09:49 AM
When can Chief Wray come out from behind Jerry's apron and answer direct questions?
Posted by: Jim Roenberg | Feb 09, 2008 at 10:02 AM
"We don't hide innocent investigative tools in the trunk of a car."
You're not paying attention, are you, Dave?
That rationale has been long discredited. It was laughable when first dreamed up long ago, and it's absolutely hilarious now as a desperate attempt to defend the undefendable.
Anything else?
Posted by: bubba | Feb 09, 2008 at 10:02 AM
"When can Chief Wray come out from behind Jerry's apron and answer direct questions?"
Ah, more hashed over pushback!
Why don't you ask his attorney that question?
The enablers are desperate, aren't they?
Posted by: bubba | Feb 09, 2008 at 10:05 AM
I missed the part where hiding, er, securing, the "black book" in the trunk after denying knowledge of its existence was discredited as a question and no longer of interest in this case.
Posted by: Ed Cone | Feb 09, 2008 at 10:16 AM
Bubba, why does this have to boil down to a Mitch Johnson-crowd vs. David Wray-crowd fight?
Isn't it possible that both Wray's handling of the police department and Johnson's handling of city hall have shown flashes of incompetence?
Posted by: Jonathan Jones | Feb 09, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Bob, I'll ignore the Middle School rhetoric as usual annd hereby stipulate that I got burned and you rule in perpetuity. As for the substance, I've long ago lost confidence in Mitch Johnson and have said so here. Still, there are many legitimate questions about Chief Wray's s carefully manicured version of events. The legal jeopardy he faces is not absolute, and appears to be shrinking. It seems like he ought to be able to stand up and provide some answers, even if not all. Bob, I mean this to be about something not me so I agree in advance to your label and insult.
Posted by: Jim Rosenberg | Feb 09, 2008 at 10:28 AM
"Let Brady explain why he did not disclose the memo to RMA!!" -- William
Get your facts straight. The memo was in the RMA report.
Also, I posted 4 relevant questions for you above. They remain unanswered.
Posted by: Roch101 | Feb 09, 2008 at 10:53 AM
"NONE OF THE BLACK MALE POLICE OFFICERS LOOKED ALIKE!!!" -- William
And you know this how?
Posted by: Roch101 | Feb 09, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Bubba:
From the Nov. 22, 2005 interview:
Longmire: And where is that book now?
Brady: In the trunk of my car.
later
Longmire: Was there ever any discussion between you and Chief Wray or others after the book was found, what to do now about the book and about the allegation that there was this black book?
Brady: He told me to secure it and be sure that I held on to it.
later
Longmire: ... Did the police chief ever direct you to order an investigation into that allegation that there was a black book and that it was being used inappropriately -- by members of your department to single out black officer as being the target of an investigation?
Brady: No sir.
Longmire: Okay. So the -- you -- you put it in your trunk and it has stayed there since...
Brady: He told...
Longmire: ...he told you to put it in the trunk? You've not shown it to anyone else?
--------------------
So Bubba, what part of the black book being hidden in the trunk of a car is discredited?
Posted by: Dave Ribar | Feb 09, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Ed, you missed the part where Wray said that he told Johnson about the photo lineup on July 11, 2005 and Johnson did not seem interested.
This was three days after Wray learned of the photo lineup and Brady was concerned about other officers getting a hold of it, so he put it in his trunk.
If Wray's story is correct, then Johnson isn't telling the truth when he claims that Wray hid it from him. Maybe Johnson should release his notes from his meeting with Wray on July 11th. Oh wait. Can't do that. Not a public record.
B.S.
Posted by: Spag | Feb 09, 2008 at 04:44 PM