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Jul 30, 2007

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Fred Gregory

Less encouraging ? Who gives a shit what the sock puppet Glenn Greenwald says, whoever he really is?

Memo From Karl To Glenn

Ed Cone

Thanks for that thoughtful contribution to the discourse, Fred. It adds a lot to our understanding of the arguments made in the op-ed.

Fred Gregory

Grazie. It was just a way to express my disdain for any ARGUMENT that mo-ron makes.

Bubba

Greenwald:

"The Op-Ed is an exercise in rank deceit from the start."


THAT is WAY too funny, coming from Greenwald, with his history of charlatanry and intellectually dishonest behavior!

And Cone responds with one of his typical throw away lines, used when we laugh at his use of people like Krugman and Greenwald as authoritarian sources.

Ed Cone

Readers are free to click the link to Greenwald's article and judge its content for themselves.

Danny Wright

Uhhh, genius Bubba, I think you meant "authoritative".

Bubba

"Uhhh, genius Bubba, I think you meant "authoritative"."

No, Idiot Child, I meant authoritarian.


"Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
au·thor·i·tar·i·an /əˌθɔrɪˈtɛəriən, əˌθɒr-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-thawr-i-tair-ee-uhn, uh-thor-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to individual freedom: authoritarian principles; authoritarian attitudes.
2. of or pertaining to a governmental or political system, principle, or practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one person or a small group that is not constitutionally accountable to the people.
3. exercising complete or almost complete control over the will of another or of others: an authoritarian parent.
–noun 4. a person who favors or acts according to authoritarian principles"

Number 2 fits Krugman and Greenwald perfectly.

What part of that do you not understand?


Danny Wright

No, I'm pretty sure you meant "authoritative". That last post of yours is a stretch, even by your creative standards.

Bubba

"That last post of yours is a stretch, even by your creative standards."

Whatever you say, mindreader.

Ed Cone

A contender for the Bubba Comment Hall of Fame.

Not in this league, but still very fine work.

Bubba

Ed the Troll, at his very best.

How DO you do that so consistently?

Shall we talk about you, the incredible lightness of Being Ed Cone?

Fred Gregory

"Thanks for that thoughtful contribution to the discourse, Fred. It adds a lot to our understanding of the arguements made in the op-ed "

Yeah and it is only fair to add to the undrstanding of Greenwald and who he is and his standard agitprop.

"Readers are free to click to Greenwald's article and judge its contemt for themselves. "

So Ed why don't you start linking to Daily Kos or TPM on a regular basis ? Not a lot of differnce with them and the infamous, deplorable Greenwald. Then readers would be, free blah, blah blah !

Jeffrey Sykes

I'll have to take exception to Greenwald's thesis that the authors of the Times Op-Ed lack credibility because they weren't all doom and gloom in the immediate post-war period of 2003. I think most of us were still in limbo then as far as judging the war, and probably still in shock and awe, before the real insurgency began. Greenwald never touches their arguments in the Times piece, instead engaging in rank ad hominem attacks.

I enjoyed reading the Times piece by O'Hanlon and Pollack. It is refreshing to hear that tribal leaders and even some warlords in outlying provinces have turned on the insurgents and are working toward bringing some type of normalcy to the streets of Iraq. The news from Anbar province was especially welcome.

Nothing excuses the mistakes made to date, but it would be heroic if Gates and Patreaus can pull this thing off and bring security to the people there.

Ed Cone

Fred, I link frequently to TPM, and have since the early days of this blog.

The idea of readers actually reading links and making their own judgments seems like a good thing to me. That's one reason I include the links.

In this case, Greenwald wrote a long, detailed piece that gave chapter-and-verse examples of previous work by O'Hanlon, which has direct relevance to O'Hanlon's claim in the NYT piece that he's a longtime critic of the war's conduct.

You haven't challenged any of Greenwald's factual statements about O'Hanlon, or their relevance to the post. You've just told us that you don't like Greenwald, a detail that seems very important to you, but probably less so to others.

JS, Greenwald has links to stuff from more recent years as well. The authors were not the critics they claimed to be. I agree that their report was otherwise interesting, if not definitive, which is one reason I posted it.

Fred Gregory

Yes Ed, I think Greenwald sucks ( pun intended )and will contine to hold that belief untill he attends and recieves a pasing grade in the David Horowitz summer indoctrination/reeducation camp.

BTW that was a terribly mean and dumb below the belt comment ( 4-16-06 ) "Drinking early again Bubba " That is one of your favorites , huh ?

Ed Cone

"Drinking early" is "mean and dumb" as a shot at someone who is posting seemingly random lines?

Next time someone starts lurching around like that I'll go with "who gives a shit," "mo-ron" and a gay joke instead -- since you, a sensitive soul, used those in this thread I guess they're acceptable.

Nobody cares about your enemies list, Fred. "Greenwald sucks" is not a meaningful response to "Greenwald has a list of quotes that document X."

Danny Wright

Not at all terribly mean regarding Bubba, who routinely attacks people at a personal level on this blog, hijacks threads by changing topics, cut-and-pastes other articles to stand as proxy for his own arguments, and hides behind an alias. Just proportionate in terms of intent (and far less so in terms of volume).

Bubba

"Not at all terribly mean regarding Bubba, who routinely attacks people at a personal level on this blog, hijacks threads by changing topics, cut-and-pastes other articles to stand as proxy for his own arguments, and hides behind an alias. Just proportionate in terms of intent (and far less so in terms of volume)."

In other words, you (like Cone and and your fellow Sycophants) have no valid point to make.

As usual.

Standard Operating Procedure here, as practiced by those who are too intellectually challenged to actually debate the issues on facts without injecting the nonsense.

Anything else you need to say for your thereputic benefit?

Or would you prefer to troll like Cone is doing on this very thread?

Ed Cone

Trolling means posting things to provoke flaming and commotion.

But I actually want you to stop posting this stuff, Bubba.

You often have useful comments in other threads.

For whatever reasons, on a few subjects you get hostile in a hurry and veer off topic and refuse to have any sort of real conversation. Disagreement on issues and facts is welcome, but I'd like the other stuff to stop, and I'd like other commenters to ignore it when it happens.

Bubba

Spare me the piety pitch.

It's been heard before, and you have no more credibility this time than all the other previous times.

You are the worst offender in the activity you do not like. If you want the conflict to stop, stop doing it yourself.

You (and others) have been called on it before, and you will get called on it every time.

I am not the only one who has pointed this out to you.

The choice is yours, not mine.

Ed Cone

Let's start over. Clean slate.

Bubba

Works for me.

Ed Cone

Thnx.

Fred Gregory

Ed,

Perhaps I crossed the line with a couple of those shots. However your question/implication about commenters drinking is not new and has been used before in response to an on topic non-troll comment.

If you post anything from Greenwald it will be appropriate to point out the he is a pathological liar.

The New MCCarthyism

Ed Cone

I really don't mean the drinking thing go be taken so seriously, and I'm surprised to find it taken thusly, it's just a way of saying "you aren't making any sense," but perhaps I am being insensitive to the experiences and pov of others.

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