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Jul 28, 2007

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benholder

the troublemaker rocks

Mr. Green Jeans

Mr. Green Jeans rocks!

benholder

Mr. Green Jeans does not rock. Mr. Green Jeans RULES!

Ed,

How come we pronounce Roch like Rock? Shouldn't it be more like Roach?

cara michele

Good question, Ben. I have several unrelated friends with the last name "Koch," and they each pronounce it differently.

As for the pronunciation of "Roch," I did some searching, and found that it seems to depend on where one lives. The River Roch in England is pronounced "roach." The Domaine Clusel-Roch, a wine estate in France, is pronounced "Cluzel-Roke." The St. Roch market in New Orleans is pronounced "rock." And further searches revealed that "rock" seems to be the preferred pronunciation of "Roch" in the United States.

Since our friend Roch lives in the U.S., I'm assuming that's why he pronounces his name "Rock." :)

P.S. Plus, it's name and he can pronounce it any way he chooses to.

ben holder

N&R Editor John Robinson on Gangs.

July 6, 2007:"Maybe so. We've sniffed around before and couldn't find any real indication that gangs are quite the problem that some people think they are."

Today in the N&R:"Greensboro has a gang problem. The neighbors know it. The police know it. The City Council knows it."

Did anyone tell John? Did the gang problem grow in the last 23 days or is the N&R Editior out of touch with reality? The truth is the gang problem has been a problem for some time. It is now recognized because a few cops were shot at and one was stabbed.

How did the N&R Editor miss this one so badly? Did the Greensboro City Council just discover the gang issue?

Sandy Carmany claimed this issue had her attention in 2005: As a council member who is supposed to know about everything that's going on in town, I was shocked to learn how much I don't know about these problems. Captain Scott's observation that "we have a small fire now, but it could burn the city down" really got my attention. I highly recommend this program to every neighborhood and parent group in Greensboro so you will be better informed about what we and our children are facing. You can reach Detective Cuthbertson at 373-2216 to arrange for this presentation.

Sandy mentioned the problem on her blog but did she do anything about it besides leave the cops phone number?

Greensboro Troublemaker November 2005:

We at the Troublemaker have written several times about gangs forming in Greensboro and the truth about the violence it has produced. We believe that there is a gang problem. Because of this belief we bring to you an actual copy of the Greensboro Police Validated Gang list. The names of the known gang members have been removed.

However, one can still see: the race/age/gang/date validated/who validated them/ and when will they come off the gang list. If a member is validated they are put on the list. Their name is on the list for two years. If they get into trouble during that time, the court will know they have been validated as a gang member. If they stay clean for two years, their names are taken off the list. The list below is some what old and new kids are added and taken off all the time. However, this is a good indicator of what the police specifically know about the gangs we have, the races involved as well as the ages. Enjoy.

If all is kept secret and only once a year do we meet to talk about it then nothing will be solved. The public needs to know about their kids. We need to know about police. We need the facts on the table. Even if we have to steal them from secret police files we will. Government of the people, for the people, by the people.

Race Sex DOB Gang Date Validated Removal Date Validated By
Asian Male 1/23/1983 BIS 4/19/2004 4/19/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 6/16/1986 21st Crip 4/7/2005 4/7/2007 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 11/29/1986 Bloods 2/4/2005 2/4/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Mexica Male 10/14/1972 MS-13 8/19/2004 8/19/2006 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 3/7/1981 SSC 2/9/2004 2/9/2006 J.A.Fulmore
Black Male 11/28/1968 5% 5/26/2004 5/26/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 10/21/1981 BIS 3/7/2004 03/01/06 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 5/8/1982 BIS 9/22/2004 9/22/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 6/21/1983 BIS 3/7/2004 3/7/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 2/3/1988 BIS 2/25/2004 2/25/2006 R. E. Edwards
White Male 10/26/1977 Latin Kings 4/5/2004 4/5/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 9/17/1970 SSC 11/7/2003 11/7/2005 J.A.Fulmore
Hispanic Male 7/8/1988 Sur 13 2/4/2005 2/4/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
White Male 4/23/1989 TRG 2/4/2005 2/4/2007 R. E. Edwards
White Male 9/22/1987 TRG 2/4/2005 2/4/2007 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 7/20/1985 BIS 4/30/2003 4/30/2005 R. E. Edwards
Black Female 10/16/1987 ESC 1/21/2004 1/21/2006 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 1/24/1985 Bloods 8/29/2003 8/29/2005 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 6/29/1989 Bloods 3/15/2005 5/15/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Asian Male 6/20/1981 TRG 1/13/2004 1/13/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 12/12/1988 BIS 2/24/2004 2/24/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 12/7/1987 Bloods 4/19/2004 4/19/2006 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 11/17/1983 Bloods 8/28/2003 8/28/2005 J.A.Fulmore
Black Male 1/6/1990 Bloods 2/4/2005 2/4/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 7/31/1984 TRU 8/21/2003 8/21/2005 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 3/29/1984 Bloods 5/12/2004 5/12/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Female 4/10/1986 TRG 6/11/2004 6/11/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 8/13/1982 Bloods 2/12/2004 2/12/2006 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 11/20/1987 Sur 13 2/4/2005 2/4/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Puerto Male 11/19/1976 Kings/NETA 8/27/2003 8/27/2005 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 11/26/1984 Bloods 7/14/2003 7/14/2005 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 4/5/1983 Crips 9/22/2004 9/22/2006 R. E. Edwards
Hispanic Male 7/1/1986 MS-13 5/7/2003 5/7/2005 E. L. Cuthbertson
White Male 8/31/1986 Bloods 2/4//2005 2/4/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 3/6/1980 SSC 3/10/2004 3/10/2006 J.A.Fulmore
Black Male 12/16/1987 ESC 1/21/2004 1/21/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 1/14/1983 Bloods 7/14/2003 7/14/2005 E. L. Cuthbertson
White Male 12/10/1980 Marvara 10/12/2004 10/12/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 12/9/1984 Folk 4/28/2004 4/28/2006 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 6/14/1985 Crips 1/9/2003 1/9/2005 R. E. Edwards
Hispanic Male 9/20/1977 Sur 13 5/7/2003 5/7/2005 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 12/12/1983 Crips 12/27/2002 PRISON E. L. Cuthbertson
White Male 1/15/1984 TRG 9/22/2004 9/22/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 3/2/1986 ESC 1/21/2004 1/21/2006 J.A.Fulmore
Black Male 4/1/1970 Bloods 4/19/2004 4/19/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 4/16/1988 TRG 2/4/2005 2/4/2007 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 4/10/1982 SSC 10/21/2002 PRISON E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 6/5/1988 Folk 12/15/2003 12/15/2005 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 10/10/1984 TRG 4/23/2003 4/23/2005 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 8/7/1987 Bloods 2/4/2005 2/4/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Asian Male 4/1/1988 BIS 1/28/2004 1/28/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 5/20/1983 TRG 2/6/2003 2/6/2005 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 9/30/1986 TRG 4/29/2004 4/29/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 9/8/1986 BIS 11/12/2003 11/12/2005 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 3/12/1985 TRG 3/3/2004 3/3/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 3/4/1986 BIS 4/19/2004 4/19/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 1/19/1983 TRG 5/24/2004 5/24/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 11/28/1988 Crips 2/4/2005 2/7/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Asian Male 1/3/1982 BIS 4/19/2004 4/19/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 12/15/1984 TRG 1/26/2004 1/26/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 10/1/1987 BIS 2/12/2004 2/12/2006 R. E. Edwards
Indian Male 10/10/1983 BIS 7/22/2004 7/22/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 11/29/1980 SSC 3/19/2004 3/19/2006 J.A.Fulmore
Mexica Male 4/2/1980 42 LC 11/19/2002 11/19/2004 E. L. Cuthbertson
White Male 1/30/1985 74 Folk 7/26/2004 7/26/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 4/16/1986 Bloods 2/4/2005 2/4/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Hispanic Male 7/27/1989 Sur 13 2/4/2005 2/4/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
White Male 1/15/1982 Folk 4/25/2003 4/25/2005 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 1/21/1984 Tru 12/15/2003 12/15/2005 J.A.Fulmore
Black Male 11/27/1985 Crips 11/19/2002 PRISON E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 10/27/1986 Crips 2/7/2005 2/7/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 4/16/1988 Crips 2/7/2005 2/7/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 7/15/1980 Bloods 1/14/2003 1/14/2005 R. E. Edwards
White Male 8/24/1987 Bloods 7/4/2004 7/4/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 4/24/1980 SSC 10/21/2002 PRISON E. L. Cuthbertson
Asian Male 3/27/1982 BIS 7/22/2004 7/22/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 12/5/1984 Bloods 7/14/2003 7/14/2005 R. E. Edwards
Asian Female 10/10/1985 TRG 5/20/2004 5/20/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 1051983 TRG 6/11/2004 6/11/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 1/25/1984 Bloods 7/14/2003 7/14/2005 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 10/22/1985 BIS 12/30/2003 12/30/2005 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 9/15/1988 MTC 1/5/2004 1/5/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male Crips 2/8/2005 2/8/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Asian Male 8/5/1988 TRG 12/30/2004 12/30/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 2/7/1985 Bloods 11/19/2003 11/19/2005 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 4/29/1983 BIS 9/23/2004 9/23/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 9/22/1986 TRG 6/11/2004 6/11/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 8/17/1988 Crips 2/4/2005 2/7/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 3/19/1985 Crips 9/23/2004 9/23/2006 R. E. Edwards
Hispanic Male 7/22/1989 Sur 13 2/4/2005 2/4/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 3/21/1987 BIS 1/5/2004 1/5/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 12/6/1986 TRG 3/3/2004 3/3/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 10/14/1981 TRG 2/11/2004 2/11/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Female 9/9/1984 TRG 2/11/2004 2/11/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 11/4/1983 Crips 11/19/2002 PRISON E. L. Cuthbertson
Asian Male 2/6/1982 BIS 9/23/2004 9/23/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 11/11/1984 Bloods 6/28/2004 6/28/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 6/1/1986 TRG 1/13/2004 1/13/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Female 3/31/1984 TRG 3/3/2004 3/3/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 3/1/1985 TRG 3/3/2004 3/3/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 10/14/1989 Bloods/Crip 2/3/2005 2/3/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 10/2/1984 Crips 12/30/2004 12/30/2006 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 9/18/1987 TRG 6/11/2004 6/11/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 9/9/1984 TRG 2/11/2004 2/11/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 12/15/1985 Bloods 6/17/2004 6/17/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 4/18/1989 Montangard Troop Crips 4/14/2003 4/14/2005 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 10/28/1984 Bloods 5/15/2004 5/15/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 11/3/1986 BIS 7/26/2004 7/26/06 R. E. Edwards
White Male 1/7/1978 BIS 9/5/2004 9/5/2006 R. E. Edwards
Hispanic Male 7/11/1988 Sur 13 2/4/2005 2/4/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 9/8/1985 Folk 9/23/2004 9/23/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 5/26/1985 Bloods 6/24/2003 6/24/2005 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 2/9/1985 TRG 3/1/2004 3/1/2004 R. E. Edwards
White Male 12/1/1981 Latin Kings 11/8/2003 11/8/2005 E. L. Cuthbertson
Hispanic Male 2/17/1984 Las Vacas Locas, Sur 13 3/18/2005 3/18/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Asian Male 10/26/1985 TRG 9/23/2004 9/23/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 2/22/1985 Bloods 7/14/2003 7/14/2005 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 5/30/1983 Bloods 6/24/2003 6/24/2005 E. L. Cuthbertson
Asian Male 7/11/1986 TRG 3/3/2004 3/3/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 1/3/1985 TRG 3/3/2004 3/3/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 2/16/1985 Bloods 9/23/2004 9/23/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 4/20/1987 TRU 8/21/2003 8/21/2005 E. L. Cuthbertson
Asian Male 7/16/1987 TRG 4/16/2004 4/16/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 4/30/1984 TRG 5/24/2004 5/24/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 10/24/1988 TRG 4/16/2004 4/16/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 3/10/1988 BIS 2/12/2004 2/12/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 11/14/1986 TRG 1/13/2004 1/13/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 9/7/1983 Bloods 5/12/2004 5/12/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 12/25/1980 Bloods 9/23/2004 9/23/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 7/27/1988 TRG 9/25/2003 9/25/2005 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 10/25/1981 TRG 1/13/2004 1/13/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 6/20/1983 TRG 9/23/2004 9/23/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 2/5/1983 Bloods 7/14/2003 7/14/2005 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 1/24/1984 TRG 2/11/2004 2/11/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 10/25/1985 TRG 1/13/2004 1/13/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 3/12/1985 BIS 9/23/2004 9/23/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 6/6/1977 TRG 9/23/2004 9/23/2006 R. E. Edwards
Hispanic Male 7/10/1988 Sur 13 2/4/2005 2/4/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 4/1/1982 SSC 9/5/03 9/5/05 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 10/29/1981 BIS 12/16/2003 12/16/2005 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 7/19/1988 SAF 12/13/200 12/13/2006 R. E. Edwards
Puerto Male 6/22/1980 Latin Kings 7/11/2003 7/11/2005 R. E. Edwards
Hispanic Male 5/20/1985 Sur 13 12/30/2004 12/30/2006 E. L. Cuthbertson
Mexica Male 5/20/1985 Sur 13 11/25/2004 11/25/2006 E. L. Cuthbertson
Asian Male 2/3/1983 BIS 7/20/2004 7/20/2006 R. E. Edwards
Asian Male 10/4/1988 BIS 4/28/2004 4/28/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 6/6/1981 Bloods 8/29/2003 8/29/2005 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 4/17/1982 8 Tre 9/23/2004 9/23/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 10/6/1990 Crips 1/4/2005 1/4/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 12/2/1981 Bloods 9/17/2004 9/17/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 6/16/1988 Crips 2/4/2005 2/7/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 5/9/1978 8 Trey 12/13/2004 12/13/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 4/16/1990 Eastside Crips 1/6/2005 1/6/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 4/1/1986 TRG 1/13/2004 1/13/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 1/1/1987 Bloods 2/4/2005 2/4/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 7/14/1989 Crips 2/4/2005 2/4/2007 E. L. Cuthbertson
Black Male 1/23/1986 BIS 3/17/2004 3/17/2006 R. E. Edwards
Black Male 11/25/1983 Bloods 7/14/2003 7/14/2005 E. L. Cuthbertson
Asian Male 8/13/1980 TRG 1/13/2004 1/13/2006 R. E. Edwards

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