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Mar 28, 2007

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Bubba

So what makes this real estate group any different from any other group that is promoting it's viewpoint?

If you don't like the way they promote their point of view, fine.

Let others decide which aspect of this issue is important to themselves individually.

Ed Cone

"Let others decide which aspect of this issue is important to themselves individually."

That's what I'm trying to do.

The Realtors sent me a link to their spiffy website, and I linked it.

People then began discussing the issue here. Some responses have been reflexive and not so interesting; Saintsing has added more to the discussion that I've seen anywhere else.

Anyone who's followed the threads (me included) should know a lot more now than they would from a glance at the site or a newspaper article.

Bubba

The realtor bashing regarding commission fees was just absurd.

Bubba

The marketing critique of the message was a cheap shot at the realtors also.

Tell me what other product and service is not marketed in similar ways?

Jim Rosenberg

Not absurd, pay attention.

Ed Cone

So people should make up their own minds, but they should do so without any close reading of political and marketing positions taken by one of the major actors in the story?

Bubba

What real relationship does the political and marketing position have to do with:

-- the proposed tax (yes, it IS a tax)

-- the fees any any real estate broker charges?

To reply to the other post.... yes, it is ABSOLUTELY absurd.

There are plenty of venues for people to utilize that have nothing to do with using realtors. There are plenty of places where the commission rates are negotiable.

Why are we picking on real estate people regarding their fee structure?

Let's examine ALL professions that are compensated in this manner.


First, let's restrict the fees tort lawyers take out of their clients' settlements.....and then, let's make the tort lawyer deal retroactive, and force John Edwards to rebate half of the fees he took away from his clients' settlements.

Bubba

Come to think about it, let's institute a one or two percent wealth transfer fee payable to the government jurisdiction of the court of record on all damage awards made to plaintiffs by juries, or through settlements.

After all, this money is ALL tax free now, for the most part.

Jim Rosenberg

Bubba - You stated that bashing Realtors was an "absurd" and a "cheap shot." I am providing direct evidence that, to the contrary, Realtors are being sued by the Bush administration, and are the subject of blanket nonpartisan coverage: Wall Street Journal, USAToday, Money /CNN, Realty Times. You may have a different opinion on the issue, but your assertion that raising it is an absurd cheap shot is mistaken, even in the face of your "is not."

Bubba

"Bubba - You stated that bashing Realtors was an "absurd" and a "cheap shot." I am providing direct evidence that, to the contrary...."

No, Jim. Read my post again.

"The realtor bashing regarding commission fees was just absurd."

What part of that do you not understand?

Bubba

Also, regarding "cheap shots",re-read this for comprehension, Jim:

"The marketing critique of the message was a cheap shot at the realtors also."

Ed Cone

I don't see how any of this stuff amounts to cheap shots. It's discussion and analysis of an issue and a marketing/political campaign.

Saintsing says, "They're opposing an increase of up to 400% in an existing tax. It's reasonable to oppose such a massive increase in almost any tax, so why not just say that?"

As to the fact that a lot of people make money on commissions, so what? This is a discussion -- initiated at this blog by Realtors -- about Realtors and the proposed property transfer tax. If it was a more general discussion of commission-based businesses that focused only on Realtors, I guess there would be a problem. But it's not.

Bubba

His statement.....

"And -- please -- "taxing the dream of homeownership"? How about "taxing the sense of security your little children feel as they wake up in their own snuggly beds on Christmas morning"?"

....is a cheap shot.

Ed Cone

Blog comments ain't beanbag, Bubba, sarcasm and irony are tools of the trade.

Meanwhile, there is a serious discussion going on, and you seem very eager not to have it.

Jim Saintsing

A cheap shot is one taken at a person or target in an inferior position. If a lone poster can take a cheap shot at a website that -- I'm just guessing now -- was not prepared by pro bono volunteer talent, then I hope for their sake they didn't overpay.

And speaking of residential commissions and the "itsabadidea" website: you do see some variations from the conventional 6% (and I'm not referring to the conventional 10% on raw land). However, I believe these variations tend to be on houses in the upper price ranges. Therefore, it seems a little inconsistent for the website to fret about the regressive effect of a flat-rate transfer tax.

Bubba

"Blog comments ain't beanbag, Bubba, sarcasm and irony are tools of the trade."

Only for the Teacher's Pets, and those whose opinions you generally favor.

The rest of us get responses like the one you've made to me.


"Meanwhile, there is a serious discussion going on, and you seem very eager not to have it."

Pure Cone-ish.

Ignoring the serious points being made here and on the other thread.

You're entitled to your wrong opinions, Ed.

After all, it's YOUR blog.

Ed Cone

You sure do whine a lot for a tough guy, Bubba.

Dishitoutbutcanttakeitism seems to be contagious around here, so at least you can get a support group together.

First box of virtual kleenex is on me.

Bubba

"Whine"?

Now THAT'S funny!

I've been called lots of things in this life, some of which was more accurate than others, but NEVER a whiner.


If by calling me a "tough guy" you mean someone who can not be intimidated physically, mentally, and emotionally, you're absolutely correct.

sean coon

bubba, the macho man...

Bubba

.....as opposed to Sean, the Nacho Man.

You know, hot cheese and sour cream on top, crunchy on the bottom, cheap and greasy.....the local blogosphere equivalent of fast food.

Ed Cone

Snap. Points to Bubba.

Can we stop now?

Connie Mack Jr

If by calling me a "tough guy" you mean someone who can not be intimidated physically, mentally, and emotionally, you're absolutely correct.* Bubba

Bubba! You have got to stop reading the Blackwater Group weekly net alert, besides you have never met me and some of my friends.

Bubba

"Can we stop now?"

I don't know.

Are you done whining yet?

Connie Mack Jr

If by calling me a "tough guy" you mean someone who can not be intimidated physically, mentally, and emotionally, you're absolutely correct.* Bubba

Bubba! After reviewing your recent app to go to South Baghdad and your impressive psychic resume above.

You can pick up your 1 st class tourist Air Halliburton ticket at any Taco Bell location. I want you to be full of greens and ready to move fast in case of a attack in the Green Zone. You will have a pound of Minnisota yellow cheese to stop any signs of that neo-con Republican disease known as cowards on the move in Greensboro.

Good luck and remember you can stop anytime your denial issue on surges in foreign and strange places in the mideast.

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