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Feb 12, 2007

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David Wharton

To add self-injury to insult, didn't Mitt read in the WSJ last week that the reason Ford Motor Co. is losing billions is because it is still following the manufacturing / marketing model of ... guess who?

One of the toughest problems facing the ailing U.S. car industry stems from Detroit's century-old business model, which dates to Henry Ford's mass production of millions of largely identical Model T's. Rather than build cars to suit customer tastes, U.S. auto makers churn out what makes sense for their plants, and then use incentives and rebates to lure buyers.

If Mitt wanted to connect himself to economic and manufacturing dynamism, why did he latch onto a huge, failing industry with a hidebound managment culture that refuses to innovate?

Jeez.

Connie Mack Jr

That would be Henry Ford, the notorious anti-semite.* Ed

Batshit! The man was a great American. Anybody that makes a success in America is not a anti-semite. How many Jews did he murder Ed? The man gave more to humanity and peace than you could in 8 Billion times of your life.

The CA

Ford was an anti-Semite, but millions of people have driven Ford's and television has advertised Ford's for years, and Ford has been in NASCAR for years, and I imagine that John Edwards, like many of his Democratic predecessors, will take money from Ford unions. Funny, how anti-Semitism isn't an issue in those matters.

It's also noteworthy that the Ford museum contains a fantastic collection of cars, including Rosa Parks' bus. I wonder how many hippies drove Volkswagen mini-buses. I suppose they too must have anti-Semitic leanings. And forget listening to Wagner. No reading Pushkin or T.S. Eliot or H.G. Wells, and forget about using light bulbs because Edison was an anti-Semite too.

C'mon Ed, this is really a stretch for guilt by association. It appears that this is a Democrat driven blogger push to make a story out of nothing to damage Romney.

The CA

Also noteworthy in the story linked to by Ed is the last sentence:

"Fehrnstrom noted that other political leaders have praised Ford in the past, including former President Bill Clinton, a Democrat."

Connie Mack Jr

why did he latch onto a huge, failing industry with a hidebound managment culture that refuses to innovate?

Jeez.* David Wharton

America surrended its industrial engine 40 years ago to the so-called Global market. No Nation or State can lose its industrial engine and expect to win it back. He should have his Grand Opening at a local MacDonalds to prove that service industry is alive and well in the 21 st century.

Ed Cone

Seems to have been sparked by Jewish groups, actually.

The guy isn't speaking at a Ford factory, or buying a Ford, or taking donations from Ford unions.

He's making a special trip to announce his candidacy at the museum honoring Henry Ford Sr.

My guess: a stupid move, not a purposeful one.

Connie Mack Jr

Ford was an anti-Semite, * Sam

Not really! Anti-Zionist. Big difference. If Ed is trying to use the old bigot Zionist guilt by assocation trick from the past as a smear on Great Americans, he would be speaking German by now or begging from some American Storm Trooper for a cracker while he sits in a dentention camp in Cuba starving t death.

It was Henry Ford anti-semtic industrial plants that turn out the most massive production weapons ever seen in World history during WW2 to beat the Nazi Orwellian Bastards.

The CA

It might have something to do with the fact that Romney is from Michigan, the heart of American vehicle production and Ford was instrumental in that fact.

This is a NON-story. Something that will inevitably be latched onto by the leftist blogosphere to smear Romney. I don't think most people will buy it because it's just silly. The museum is to honor Ford's accomplishments, not to promote his anti-Semitism.

Anglico

Who cares where he's announcing.

Mr. Mitt has exactly as much chance of being elected president as Joseph Smith did of finding the mysterious disappearing golden plates buried in a hill by his home in Pennsylvania. Both events would certainly qualify as miraculous.

Britt Whitmire

Yeah, Ed, a NON-STORY! Wait until Romney buys a big-ass house (or something important like that) before you smear him!

Britt Whitmire

I'll save u the time, Sam...

file under:

democrat hypocrisy

Connie Mack Jr

It might have something to do with the fact that Romney is from Michigan, the heart of American vehicle production and Ford was instrumental in that fact.* CA

His Pop ran American Motors and was Gov of Mich. Have you not heard of returning to your roots to honor a great family leader?

Mr. Mitt has exactly as much chance of being elected president as Joseph Smith did of finding the mysterious disappearing golden plates buried in a hill by his home in Pennsylvania. Both events would certainly qualify as miraculous* Anglico

Sorry A, Get it right! The mysterious golden plates were found in Vermont so the Angels Brotherhood story goes.

Brother Smith parting words to the Lord were, "Is there no help for the Widow Son" while the Illinois state milita hung his ass from the local jail with a lynch mob to back them up. You got to be careful with this Great Architect God brotherhood business if one expects to lead the Children out of the Egypt or Vermont.

billg

Come on, folks, if you saw Romney going to a Jefferson Davis musuem to announce, wouldn't you think he was making a bit of a blunder?

Davis: president of a big country. Ford: president of a big company. Davis and Ford: racist.

It's stupid politics.

CA: Yes, all Dem bloggers go online at 0300 EST for a secret confab to take writing assignments from our glorious leaders. It's my understanding that GOP bloggers all face in the direction of Rush and wait for divine inspiration.

Ed Cone

Smith claimed to have found the plates near Palmyra, New York.

Ford was certainly no mere anti-Zionist, but a full-bore anti-Semite, as even cursory research shows.

The Romney announcement location will irk some people. It will be used by some people as political fodder. And it will have no bearing on his candidacy, which will not be successful.

Sven

Now, now. Be fair. The rooms in Philadelphia, Mississippi, were all booked up.

Connie Mack Jr


Yeah, Ed, a NON-STORY! Wait until Romney buys a big-ass house (or something important like that) before you smear him!

I'll save u the time, Sam...

file under:

democrat hypocrisy *Britt Whitmire

Batshit Brainless Britt! Ed wants to start a religious war with you and Sam as the suckers for trying to make it Republican vs Genric Democrat batshit rites.

By the Brainless, do you and Sam still ride Elepants as the religious symbol side saddle for the Republican party at the midnight rites?


The CA

Britt, your analogy with Edwards would work if Romney was making anti- anti-Semitism a focal point of his campaign, like Edwards has done with poverty. Incidentally, I am not the only one who has pointed out this bit of hypocrisy by Edwards, just one of the first. Fox8 ran a story on the Edwards house and some of the backlash as have some major media outlets to a lesser degree.

As far as I know, anti- anti-Semitism isn't a big campaign issue this year. As far as I can tell, there are no anti-Semites in the race. Of course, Hillary may be one since her husband also paid homage to Ford and this whole story is a lame attempt at guilt by association.

And Anglico, sounds like you are admitting to being an anti-Mormon here. I doubt you will get as much scrutiny as Romney for your views. That seems to be a theme now among liberal bloggers- attack religion (Christian only, of course)- looks like it has worked out fabulously for Amanda Marcotte. Is this what the Democratic platform is going to be? Make fun of Christian religions but don't dare speak at Ford's museum because he was anti-Jew. Now that is intolerant and hypocritical. Worthy of a post even.

How about a story on Hillary's foolish recanting of her vote on the Iraq war? Seems more germaine to the campaign to me.

Anglico

Vermont, New York, Pennsylvania, whatever. You've seen one set of magic golden plates, you've seen 'em all.

Personally, I love that the Mitster is running hard in the Party of Greed. His flip-floppy positions on everything will drag the real Bush clones even farther to the right, which means that not only will the Greeders lose the White House, they'll also lose even more in both houses of Congress. Lieberman will become an irrelevant piece of nothing and the Senate can actually have a chance of doing the people's business for a change.

Anglico

Anti-Mormon? Are you kidding? I talk to those guys every time they come by my house to chat. They're nice kids.

(By the way, I don't reserve my ridicule for Christian religions. I'm an equal opportunity cynic when it comes to magic plates, be they gold, stone, silver, or jade. Just saying.)

Connie Mack Jr

Anti-Mormon? Are you kidding? I talk to those guys every time they come by my house to chat. They're nice kids.

" good for you! Wait until the witness for 7 days and the world ends next week show up. You would have never met a nicer bunch keeping their cool knowing you were going to be zapped and left behind in chaos."

(By the way, I don't reserve my ridicule for Christian religions. I'm an equal opportunity cynic when it comes to magic plates, be they gold, stone, silver, or jade. Just saying.)*Anglico

The last time I check the holy word, Christ said not to pile up the treasures of this world. Hell, I love the Mormons story about the new world being all screw up with the Indian wars between themselves and the white guys ended up in charge from Judah as the lost tribe. You can't make this stuff up Man.

Anglico

You're gonna love my novel, Mr. Junior. It's called Jesus Swept, and if I could just break my blogging addiction for a couple of months, I could get the durn thing finished. It's got your Mormons and your Jews and your Holy Ghosts and your gays and your ESP and your Tarheels and your Dukies and your magic bracelets and all sorts of weirdness.

Connie Mack Jr

How about a story on Hillary's foolish recanting of her vote on the Iraq war? Seems more germaine to the campaign to me.* CA

Who cares about Hillary Sam. I am in the process in getting you a job in Iraq as a Jag officer outside the Green Zone to verify the body counts of our men and any legal issues that your Commander in Chief has created. Can I count on you to have your back pack ready to go and process the paper work in the middle of a fire fight?

ps....you can blog from there only if you pass the security process as a chickenhawk in drag

Bubba

Good old Ed....says the criticism "seems to have been sparked by Jewish groups, actually."

But yet the story linked to by the "piss people off" comment leads us to the "National Jewish Democratic Council", which includes this in their mission statement:

".....the National Jewish Democratic Council is the national voice of Jewish Democrats. Informed by our commitment to those values shared by the Democratic Party...."

Gee, what would we expect from Democrats all too willing to take a cheap shot at Romney

And, of course the comments that follow Ed's lead by some of the Usual Suspects are just more of the Usual Noise we'll be suffering through from now until well past the election.

Connie Mack Jr

ou're gonna love my novel, Mr. Junior. It's called Jesus Swept, and if I could just break my blogging addiction for a couple of months, I could get the durn thing finished. It's got your Mormons and your Jews and your Holy Ghosts and your gays and your ESP and your Tarheels and your Dukies and your magic bracelets and all sorts of weirdness.* A

Holy flying Foley A. Do you have the Republican cult of Gay Boys in it to round out the secret vote count of 666 as the main page number to the kingdom?

Anglico

I do.

Ed Cone

Wait -- now it's "anti-Mormon" to express skepticism about Mormon beliefs?

By that standard, every believer in a religion is anti-every-other-religion.

Which is why it's such a dumb standard.

Anglico

Oh good, Mr. Ed. Now you have to confess that you're anti dumb standards. I think I need some anti-anti-acid.

billg

CA: Pointing out dump politics is "guilt by association"? Whether people are right or wrong to criticize Romney for using the Ford museum, the reality is that some people will do exactly that. So, if Romney has a choice of using a venue that memorializes a man widely viewed as a racist and some other venue that lacks any negative vibes, why would he choose the former?

Since it seems we can judge Romney's opinions by reference to a calendar, I'm sure he will make a few statements about this, each one different.

The truth, I suspect, is that Romney doesn't have a clue about what kind of man Henry Ford really was.

Jeffrey Sykes

This will always be Ford's legacy to me.

Connie Mack Jr

The truth, I suspect, is that Romney doesn't have a clue about what kind of man Henry Ford really was.*billg

Right! And so do most of the Republican idiots and Ed here on this thread. It was the Gerald Ford presidental museum to start with and he just recently pass on the invite.

The CA

"Wait -- now it's "anti-Mormon" to express skepticism about Mormon beliefs?"

Ed, it was a little bit more than that- it wasn't skepticism which is fine, it was sarcasm and you know it.

billg- so now we have the predictable "dumb Republican" mantra beginning. You guys really need a new play book.

Bubba

"You guys really need a new play book."

Especially since we won't hear a whisper of criticism from them about a Dem candidate appearing with a real live anti-semite like Je$$e Jack$on.

Ed Cone

Sarcasm? Horrors.

That's tantamount to bigotry and persecution!

Oh, wait, no it's not.

"Dumb Republican mantra?" Don't see it. Dumb decision by Romney? Sure.

You should book a segment on Oprah, Sam. Always the victim.

billg

Edward's little blogging flap wasn't an expecially astute political move. Does saying that mean I've started a "Dumb Democrat mantra?"

In any case, Republican politicians aren't dumb. Just wrong.

The real issue here is that a president needs to be aware of the implications of everything he says and does, even if he and his supporters think a given reaction is nonsense. The last six years provide ample evidence of what happens when you get a guy who doesn't know or doesn't care how people react. That's one thing if you're a John Wayne character, but it's entirely different in the real world.

Dave Dobson

Lessee, we've had Edwards' house (since when do you have to be poor to be anti-poverty?), Pelosi's plane (mandated by law), Obama's supposed terrorist madrassa, Hillary's comment on knowing bad men, Edwards' bloggers' independent writings criticized for anti-Catholic bigotry by an anti-Muslim, anti-gay, anti-Jew bigot.

And Sam says, "This is a NON-story. Something that will inevitably be latched onto by the leftist blogosphere to smear Romney. I don't think most people will buy it because it's just silly."

Silliness isn't an effective standard, it appears...

Connie Mack Jr

Silliness isn't an effective standard, it appears.*DD

Do you really think the American People will latch on to the first name of " Willard" Romney, instead of silly Mittless?


" Ms Speaker! The President of the United States of America, Willard Romney."

Laughting roar from the Congress!

Bubba


"Silliness isn't an effective standard, it appears"

Why not?

It seems to work just fine among True Believers.

Connie Mack Jr

It seems to work just fine among True Believers.* Bubba

Right Bubba! Have you ever been to the 1 st Black Mountain Church of Moses and watch the snake handling rites?

Or to the 1 st Church of Satan and watch the Goat riding rites?

The CA

Apparently Britt had a change of heart this morning on the "Brad & Britt Show" when both agreed this was a "non-story" for the same reasons I stated last night.

In any case, maybe Trent Lott was just being sarcastic when he said "we would be better off" if Strom Thurmond was President. Or George Allen with the macacca flap, or Pat Buchanan talking about the "culture war". All of these were considered "hate speech" worthy of condemnation.

You can talk about booking me on Oprah all you want, Ed, but it's rather clear that you give your team a pass for things you would be on the GOP for. This thread is a fine case in point. This isn't a story, but you latched on to it to help pass the notion that Romney must have some anti-Semitic tendencies. Otherwise, why even post on it? If you think calling me a "victim" is an effective defense rather than deal with your own double standard, then keep it up. The facts will speak for themselves. I fully expect you to play this card a lot more in the future. It makes no sense anyhow because this isn't about me and I never said it was.

It's the same story- thread on all the good Democrat stuff and all the bad Republican stuff. Remember this the next time I accuse you of phony outrage, because you are certainly proving my point here.

Also noteworthy is that you were the one to break the peace, not me, so I don't expect to here you whining anymore about how Sam is poisoning the well.

Ed Cone

What part of "My guess: a stupid move, not a purposeful one" did you not understand, Sam?

I have no reason to think Romney is anti-Semitic, nor did I say he was. His campaign did something dumb in my view, and perhaps bothersome to others, and I devoted five lines of my blog to it.

Whether George Allen harbors racist thoughts or not, I think the truly devastating effect of the macaca moment was less about race than the destruction his would-be Reaganesque nice-guy image.

If you don't like being called a whiner, quit whining all the time.

The CA

No, Ed, I actually said you were the one whining. Your definition of me whining is disagreeing with you. I am immune to such tactics because they speak for themselves. You say Romney is did something dumb, that's okay. I point out something dumb one of your guys said, I'm whining. Got it.

capo

I turned off NPR when I learned how much anti-Semite produced money they were happily taking from the Ford Foundation. "Paul 08!

Bubba

"This isn't a story, but you latched on to it to help pass the notion that Romney must have some anti-Semitic tendencies. Otherwise, why even post on it?"

Exactly.

And now he wants to convince us that's not how he really meant it.

Such tactics certainly do speak for themselves, Sam.

His continued "who, me?" responses when called upon it is, at best, tiresome and disingenuous.

Not a surprise there.

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