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Feb 13, 2013

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prell

"I inherited from my father the habit of calling some old houses (including one on this list) by the names of their original owners, many of whom were long gone before I was born."

I grew up calling the McAlister home the Poindexter home. All the while, one of my good friends - a Ray - occupied the house at the time. One thing Greensboro isn't short on is beautiful architecture. Good to know these structures aren't falling into disrepair. I drive by the green home in Fisher Park daily and it's amazing how fast it's gone from blighted garbage to a prime piece of real estate.

Ed Cone

I spent a lot of time there when the Poindexters were in residence, and that defined my vernacular usage, but its formal name was always TMH.

David Hoggard

Proud to report that my window restoration company was involved with a majority of the projects listed.

The completion of the house on Magnolia is especially satisfying and dramatic. The average person probably looked at the previously decrepit structure and pronounced it "beyond repair" and/or "too far gone". Obviously it was neither.

There are lessons in there for the Cascade Saloon, which is currently under scrutiny. It can and should be saved.

Andrew Brod

If the house on Magnolia is the one I think it is, then that really is quite a transformation. Good work by Preservation Greensboro.

As for the Cascade Saloon, my instinct is also to preserve it. However, I don't think the differences of opinion on the property are primarily about whether it can be saved, but whether it makes sense to save a property so close to the tracks. I think it does, or rather, it's a sufficiently distinctive property that with the right package, some developer will say it does.

Well, and there's also the matter of the current owner not wanting to sell. At least the owner of the house on Magnolia was amenable to that when PG offered assistance.

Hartzman

How many of the restoration projects received local taxpayer monies?

prell

"How many of the restoration projects received local taxpayer monies?"

Do you own a telephone? You could always call and ask.

Hartzman

"What you do speaks so loud that I cannot hear what you say."

- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Kim

Good article on Keen in recent O'Henry mag.

Ed Cone

George, do you have any reason to think that some of these projects (other than the one at UNCG, which is after all a public institution) get tax dollars?

If so, why do you think that, and which of these projects do you have in mind?

And, if so, is that a good thing or a bad thing, or is that situational, and if situational, what are your views on the specific projects at hand?

The Emerson quote seem a little ironic here, as your action (repeatedly impugning others without presenting evidence or even much argument) is an unfortunate habit of yours that turns people off to what I believe to be your good intentions.

David Wharton

They would be eligible for state and federal historic preservation tax credits if they are listed on the National Register of Historic Places, which I believe most of them are. But you have to apply for those incentives. I don't know which, if any, did so.

The Sweeny-Penn house also got a tremendous amount of volunteered legal help from the PGI Development fund, which is a private non-profit. I'm not aware of any local tax money going to the fund, but I haven't checked.

BTW, I don't think any of the projects counts as a "restoration," which would mean that the building was restored to its original condition. Most of these are renovations which include modernizing or expanding.

David Hoggard

But David...don't you know? George has proof that all historic preservation projects, especially those involving my company, suckle at the local taxpayer tit.

Otherwise he wouldn't keep up with all of the insinuations.

Get with the program, man.

David Wharton

DH, as you know, it's difficult to talk people into applying for the state/federal tax credits. Most of the time they don't think it's worth the trouble. When I was on the Preservation Commission, only very rarely did COA applicants who were fixing up their houses also apply for tax credits.

As you know, most historic preservation in this town is strictly DIY. And not just in this town, probably. A lot of people just love their old houses.

Ginia Zenke

Mr. Hartzman,
"How many of the restoration projects received local taxpayer monies?"

As a family who steered 3 houses out of the way of the expanding County Jail at a time when the economic rug was being pulled out from under them, i.e. the banks shut down lending, the answer we have to that question is, currently: "Not Enough"

Please go to our blog: save the zenke house and scroll to the bottom of that article for an update on our duplex.

If the City and Preservation Greensboro could pull together to work with us as they did before, that building could be saved, and for relatively little money. A pool for the property owners themselves would be helpful, instead of developing a game where the property is taken away from the owners by the City because "a developer could do it better"
It isn't our fault that the economy tanked, tossing all plans out the window. We've worked the problem as best we could with what cards we were dealt.

It is our fault for being hopeful when surrounded by the hopeless.

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