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Dec 07, 2012

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Hartzman

What about parking for the businesses doing business downtown at night if a show is sold out?

How many parking spaces does the Cultural Arts Center use on a typical night etc...?

If they raise parking prices, everyone else will have to pay more to go where they used to for much less?

Can the existing businesses survive?

Hartzman

"More Than 3,000 Parking Spaces Just Minutes From Our Doors

Convenient parking is easy with four parking decks surrounding DPAC.

In total there are more than 3,000 spaces within 1/10 to 1/4 mile walking distance from the theater."

http://www.dpacnc.com/plan_your_visit/parking_guide
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1200 / 3 = 400 yards

1 quarter mile = 1320 feet

The city of Greensboro is saying there are 1,598 spaces
within a little less than a quarter mile,
including private lots at VF Corparate Headquarters
Lincoln Financial and the Greensboro News & Record lots.

If all 1,598 the parking spots within 1,200 feet of the GPAC
are utilized for a show with more seating than DPAC,
and DPAC has 3,000 spots to GPAC's 1,598,
did AMS, the consultant for the Task Force say it would work
without negatively impacting local night time businesses?

Spag

I remember when Springfield built a monorail to keep up with the bohemians in Shelbyville.

Ed Cone

GSO has had a PAC for decades. It's worn out. This is about updating infrastructure enjoyed by our grandparents.

Ron

The bottom line is that the private sector can't build everything and I can't really think of too many examples of a performing arts center being completely funded with privately dollars. Most cities of Greensboro's size and some smaller have built performing arts centers with public funding. It's all about creating an environment that will attract the kind of jobs to the area Greensboro is seeking. It's time for Greensboro to grow up and become a city.

Hartzman

"GSO has had a PAC for decades. It's worn out. This is about updating infrastructure enjoyed by our grandparents."

Agreed, but it seems like they picked a place where the chances of failure for it and other businesses seems extreme.

DPAC has a VIP lot right next to the facility for season ticket holders etc...

Where would it be for GPAC?

Would love to find out how all the other locations got suddenly eliminated, and the YWCA site approved with what looks like very little due diligence.

Andrew Brod

Did you review the consultant's presentation (second link above)? There's some discussion in there of the process and selection criteria.

Hartzman

The 4 site comparison table says parking for the YWCA site
is a 10 out of 10.

Is there commentary somewhere as to how who came to such a conclusion?

If the handicap parking is going to be in the Church Street Deck,
how many spaces will be taken?

How many handicap spots should a 3000 seat venue have?

If there is a meeting at the library or the museum, or band or play or dance practice or an art show at the cultural arts center on the same night as a sold out show, where are those people going to park and how much are they going to have to pay?

I can't see how the Undercurrent can make it, if some wanting to go to dinner won't go anywhere near there, thinking there could be heavy traffic for a show.

Imagine the gridlock on Elm with all the usual people after a show.

I guess if it goes up, Roy Carroll will get his club itch replaced by traffic and people sounds itch.

Mick

Maybe you should have been part of the process Hartzman.

Ron

The Bellemeade deck alone has enough parking spots for a packed PAC at night. It's a block away and its underutilized at night. The Church Street Parking Deck is practically next door to the PAC site and the Davie Street Deck is a block a way. There is more than enough adequate parking in close proximity for the PAC. As far as traffic....remember that was the big fear with the ballpark? traffic has not been a problem with the stadium and it holds as many as 8,000 people.

Ed Cone

"...it seems like they picked a place where the chances of failure for it and other businesses seems extreme."

Disagree. Seems like they picked a really good spot, and one that would maximize its value to GSO.

Hartzman

I saw in the attachments for the City Council meeting that the pavilion is not included in the $60 million for the GPAC.

Does anyone know how much more the pavilion will be?

Ron

The pavilion will be part of the new park which is being privately funded.

Mick

Wish the $10 million would have been donated for the Pac.

Oh well, as my dear ol dad still says... "Crap in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first"

Ron

Is there any hope of the Bryan Foundation giving a very generous gift? You know they just sold New Bridge Bank Park so the timing is very interesting. Maybe they are sitting on the side lines to see if voters will approve the bond. Why spend their foundation money if the voters decide to spend their money? It was the same situation with the baseball stadium. When voters turned down renovation plans and a new stadium at the coliseum, Jim melvin stepped forward. If the bond fails I wouldn't be surprise to see the Bryan Foundation forward. You heard it here first. I was also right a few months ago in the reasoning for purchasing the YWCA property. The timing was also interesting there. City Council was just in too much of hurry to purchase a piece of property just to demolish a building and plant grass seeds. They voted to purchase the property without telling anyone why and that raised red flags.

George Hartzman

"did they get u to trade your hero's for ghosts?"

bubba

"It's all about creating an environment that will attract the kind of jobs to the area Greensboro is seeking. It's time for Greensboro to grow up and become a city."

Too bad GPAC does nothing of that sort, except in the fervent dreams of the wild-eyed optimists, and in the machinations and prevarications of the Cheerleaders.

There is no honest or compelling case to be made for the use of public money for this project, by these people, at this time.

Ron

I guess If the News & Record poll is any indication of what people city-wide thinks, Mayor Perkins and the task force better work hard to come up with an alternative to the public financing part of this deal. Nancy and Zack understands this now.

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