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Aug 17, 2012

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Brian

Geez, with all of the information there, it seems like either print or teevee media might have picked up on some of it and ran with it. Maybe they still will. It looks like all of the principals of the VIP Group have moved on to other gigs which leaves the question of whether or not they have gone bankrupt or sold the properties or dissolved the company.

Ken Hill

The landlords in this case deserve all the official sanctions that can be heaped upon them.
But the actions to condemn the building and restrict access by the tenants added hurt to those tenants. "I'm going to have to move, but I cannot go get my stuff except during limited time periods?"
Government has way too much muscle and uses it in ways to hurt innocent people. Power brings out the worst of the egos.

Brian

Ken - I don't think that is what is going on here. Government's primary role is to protect public health, safety, and welfare... If something happened to one of the tenants there because of a safety violation and the City had ignored the issue, then they (and we as taxpayers) could be held liable. I agree that it is the tenants here that are screwed and it is problematic that we don't have enough safe, affordable housing that these folks can rent. I don't know what the answer to that is.

Ken Hill

"Government's primary role is to protect public health, safety, and welfare." Speaking for myself, I prefer to do this for myself, if the government will stay out of my way and not prohibit me from doing so. The act of "protecting" me also enslaves me, limits much of my freedom.
Building unsafe because the el3ectricity is out? I have lived in houses with no electricity, both because of storms and because there was no electric service in that area. I guess we need to go protect the Amish.

Roch

And I was raised in a shoe box...

in the bottom of a lake.

We never complained!

Andrew Brod

For Roch...

TL

If Mr. Hill is serious, he'll renounce his childhood DPT immunizations, stop eating food from processors with FDA inspectors, and drive vehicles made prior to 1966, when the evil government mandated seat belts. Might as well walk the walk if you're gonna talk the talk.

Ken Hill

Limiting the people access to the building would hurt the occupant who wanted to get his/her stuff out before the next day- in order to be able to go to work the next day and not have to miss work in order to have access to the building during the hours (working hours) dictated by the omniscient local authority.
In fact, I did buy a new car in 1963 (paid for it in full at time of delivery) which had no seat belts. But it had the attachment points for the belts. I ordered those from Sears, picked them up at the warehouse on Lawndale and installed them. And I added them to my 1955 truck. The choice was mine. I like choices. I suppose that some still have a version of the Oedipus Complex in that they wish to have mother give permission if they may go outside and play.

Ed Cone

More to the specifics of the situation at hand, there are differences between navigating a house in the dark and navigating a 10-story building.

Roch

Thanks, Andy. A classic, but try telling that to kids today.

Ken Hill

"it is problematic that we don't have enough safe, affordable housing that these folks can rent. I don't know what the answer to that is." Having both safety and affordability requires some tradeoffs. Many of the code requirements act to increase the prices of housing. Regular circuit breakers cost about $5.00, the now-required AFCI breakers cost $35-50 each, more with contractor markup. Over the years, the changes in the various codes have added MANY thousands to the cost of housing. Some of the changes do potentially increase safety. But they do not make housing more affordable.
The initial push for mandating the AFCI breakers came from the manufacturers who were seeking a market for their product-- and they made one.
This is not an exhaustive commentary on the subject.

Ken Hill

"there are differences between navigating a house in the dark and navigating a 10-story building." Agreed. But I claim that I have the capability to assess the difficulties and potential hazards for myself. To insist otherwise is an insult.

prell

Back in 2001, I took some summer school courses at UNCG. Instead of living with my parents for the summer, I rented there for a few months. Back then, I believe it was called University Square. I recall it being well-run, nice and pleasant for off-campus housing, and filled with college students. There were no thirty or forty-somethings living there. I also knew a good amount of people who lived there and enjoyed their experience. Looks like things went seriously downhill once VIP took over. The newspaper and t.v. reporting makes it sound like it's become something equivalent to the Colonial Inn.

On a side note, I recently learned that most of the people who traveled to my parents wedding stayed there when it was a Hilton. Apparently, lots of crazy action went down in the lower floor bar after the reception.

Jerry Bledsoe

Elvis stayed there. Life was better then.

Hartzman

http://vipgroupusa.com/leadership.shtml

These guys may smell of highly leveraged.

Hartzman

"The initial push for mandating the AFCI breakers
came from the manufacturers
who were seeking a market for their product
-- and they made one."

Ken Hill
.
.
Did you know Allan Malone?

How many times have you heard of that happening?

Pharma to a tee.

Hartzman

Was it Jim Black that tried to get every kid in NC
to take some test or something?

The insurance authority.

The NC Bar.

Food Trucks.

Zoning permits in the noise cone of the airport
to favor a few who didn't want the same in their back yard.

prell

^^^^ This is how you win mayoral elections.

Brian

Interesting that VIP Group USA's website has been taken down and neither Fox8, DigTriad or the News & Record appeared to have followed any of the tips dating back to their original story. Or if they are following up on them, they are not reporting it. Either way, one of these outlets ought to explore this story beyond Greensboro.

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