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Durham eases some proposesd restrictions on food trucks, keeps others in place.
Jul 10, 2012 at 12:15 PM in Free the food trucks | Permalink
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It is nice to see that some flexibility is being granted to those attempting to work during our Second Great Keynesian Depression.
It is too bad our president is unable to follow Durham's lead in such liberalization toward individuals who only wish to feed themselves and in the case of food trucks, feed others in the process.
Instead, he calls for taking more money out of the private sector during our Second Great Keynesian Depression by raising taxes beyond even the middle class tax increases associated with ObamaCare and Social Security - which will also rise when the FICA tax break concludes.
These are real tax increases directed toward the middle class that are created by Obama contrasted against his purely political call for tax increases on those making more than 250k.
If Obama were to receive a bill that included an extension on the current tax rates for all, would he pass it out of compassion for those making less than 250k or would his hatred for private wealth outweigh his compassion for those in need of every dime and drive him to veto such a bill?
He indicates the latter.
It is unfortunate that freeing people to work - to feed themselves - is anathema to the left beyond food trucks. But even in the case of food trucks it is the selfish desire for availability that drives the left toward liberalization, not compassion for those who simply wish to work.
Jul 10, 2012 at 01:10 PM
Food trucks are worth looking at but not at the expense of our brick and mortar restaurants.
The Health Department exemption for Non Profits is being abused by corner vendors of ribs and the like.
We do not need to make things worse.
Jul 10, 2012 at 01:37 PM
Collards - What is the evidence that food trucks will make it worse for existing restaurants? What is going on with our existing restaurants that food trucks will exacerbate? I'm confused. The 1618 Food truck is close to other restaurants. The El Azteca truck parks on private property.
It's one thing if a (properly-permitted) food truck is asking to set up permanent or semi-permanent basis on a publicly-owned space, but I'm not sure that restricting them from privately-owned parcels would be met with a legal challenge.
I personally think that smallish lot downtown at Greene and Washington would be a perfect spot for a few food trucks. I say, permit it, monitor it and then tweak if need be, but don't restrict simply out of fear that they "could" or "might" be a detriment to existing restaurants.
I agree with you about the Non-Profit exemption.
Jul 10, 2012 at 02:40 PM
As I said, worth looking without hurting existing restaurants.
I am not sure where that line is.
Limit the number, and let vendors bid on the licenses. Like taxis. Maybe 5 the first year and then see how it goes.......
Jul 10, 2012 at 03:51 PM
"Existing restaurants" only hurt themselves. Unless they're serving garbage or provide terrible service, I don't see why people would stop going. I live three blocks from downtown and frequent the area on the reg. My wife works downtown and I keep an office next to her. I/we patronize the restaurants/bars to consume adult beverages and watch sports. Once in a blue moon we'll order food, but that's a rare occurrence these days. There's a better variety further away from the city's center - all still within walking distance from home. The truth is that a lot of downtown restaurants are pricey, which is fine, but after a while they tend to grow kind of stale. Food trucks would add a bit of culinary diversity to the area. I'll still drink pale ales from Natty's and pints of Harp and Smithwick's at M'coul's, and it will always be a struggle to pass-up Natty's wings and M'coul's falafel. But, it would be nice to take a look at some mobile offerings on the walk home. The restaurant business is one that is competitive. If you start losing business to a taco truck, you probably need to revise your business model or get out altogether.
Jul 10, 2012 at 04:30 PM
I think any limits on numbers of food trucks would be arbitrary - and again, likely challengeable in court. What is the argument for limiting the number of vendors? I'm just curious about any evidence, other than allegorical, that food trucks hurt brick-and-mortar restaurants. It's a common argument from the Restaurant Industry, but I haven't seen anything other than a belief that it is inevitable.
The City should open their arms to this entrepreneurial activity with reasonable conditions with regards to operations with clear differences made between operating on public property and private property. In other words, it's a little different if one is operating in a metered parking space outside the News & Record than it is if it is parked in the private parking lot of, say, the building where Ed's office is located.
Typically, additional regulations and conditions are added after potential issues arise, not before. Add buffer zones from existing restaurants IF it can be demonstrably shown that they hurt brick and mortar restaurants. Then maybe you limit the amount of time it can be parked in any one spot - IF it is a public space. Again, if it is a private parcel, good luck with limiting those types of items.
Jul 10, 2012 at 04:30 PM
1. I recommend Frog give it a break and go buy something at a food truck.
2. I'm not sure I understand the "hurts local restaurants" argument. Is not a food truck in Durham a local Durham restaurant. Do "local restaurants" freak out every time a restaurant that isn't on wheels comes to town? Are they worried their food can't compete with the food served out of the window in the side of a panel truck?
(Maybe that's in the lost papers of Adam Smith, where he describes how to get government to kick your competition out of town.)
Jul 10, 2012 at 05:31 PM
Once upon a time, local restaurant owners complained that hot dog carts would put downtown restaurants out of business. Then a young woman took the City to court and won. (Actually, I think the City backed down before actually going to court.) Since hotdog vendors came to Greensboro the number of downtown restaurants has more than tripled. That fact alone makes any argument against food trucks as a possible threat to downtown restaurants very hard to see, much less prove.
Billy Jones |
Jul 10, 2012 at 05:39 PM
If you are old enough in GSO to remember the hot dog cart fiasco, then you know that food trucks, which are the national rage, will come here sooner or later. Might as well do the requisite regulating and get them here. My son sent a photo of a creme brulee food truck near where he lives in SF. Cities and food trucks are the new norm but I suppose GSO will fight it as long as it can, because that's just what we do. Sigh.
Jul 10, 2012 at 06:59 PM
Sue and I agree! I think we can all agree that is a rare occurrence. It might even be an omen or something that city leaders should pay attention to.
Billy Jones |
Jul 10, 2012 at 07:29 PM
"Cities and food trucks are the new norm but I suppose GSO will fight it as long as it can, because that's just what we do. Sigh."
A lot of what works in other cities doesn't work in Greensboro. There are a lot of Republicans/Conservatives here who only dine at fast food restaurants and all-you-can-eat buffets.
Jul 10, 2012 at 07:37 PM
prell, I really don't think this is a liberal/conservative issue and framing it as such adds nothing to the exchange. Fact is: fast food and all-you-can-eat buffets are often easier on the pocket book and a lot of liberals I know are struggling under the current economic conditions. I know because I'm one of those liberals.
Billy Jones |
Jul 10, 2012 at 07:48 PM
@Billy: I was channelling sittinginthemiddle. I know it's hard. My wife and I won't be here much longer. Job interviews scheduled in the northeast and southern parts of Canada. American economy'd.
Jul 10, 2012 at 08:13 PM
Two food truck events this week:
Thursday, July 12th
Saturday, July 14th
Saturday is all all-you-can-eat, ticketed event with music.
These are some of the best food trucks in the Triangle. Come on over.
Tucker Clark |
Jul 10, 2012 at 10:05 PM
Okay prell, I'll give you that one. It's a dirty job, I'm happy you took it on your own and stepped up to do it.
Canada eh? Almost moved there a couple of times myself. At least you'll have good healthcare.
Billy Jones |
Jul 10, 2012 at 10:10 PM
"Canada eh? Almost moved there a couple of times myself. At least you'll have good healthcare."
The wife was born and raised in Toronto. I've had more grab in Ontario than anywhere in the entire U.S. when it comes to jobs. Sad, rly.
Jul 10, 2012 at 10:31 PM
If only there were more months of good motorcycle riding weather in Canada. It's not so much the cold as it is the snow... And snowmobiles, while close, just aren't quite the same.
Billy Jones |
Jul 11, 2012 at 08:07 AM
Life would have been difficult for me without geedunk trucks (and the laundry trucks) at Pier 7 NOB Norfolk.
They bring a little convenience to folks who need it.
Jul 11, 2012 at 09:31 AM
I have no problems with food trucks as long as they are held to the exact same standards as restaurants. A prime example would be having a seperate sink for beef, chicken, vegetables and a hand wash sink. I have yet to see a food truck with 4 sinks, nor have I ever seen a food truck with bathrooms that a regular restaurant is required to provide.
They should pay rent to the taxpayers for any space they take up to sell their products just like restaurants do, they should also have a sanitation grade posted at the selling area of the vehicle. Maybe we should also have engineering firms and accountants and lawyers all sitting on the sides of the road in mobile offices so they can charge lower prices for inferior products and services. It never ceases to amaze me what people will advocate for in the name of saving themselves fifty cents. Makes it pretty obvious why we have such a stark seperation in the classes.
Jul 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM
I think the promise is more about variety and convenience than price.
Ed Cone |
Jul 12, 2012 at 11:55 AM
This from a "small government" conservative.
If you think the products and services are inferior... dont eat at a food truck.
Not that I think the point is all that valid but what if the truck is on private land? Taxes?
You dont think there are accountants, lawyers and engineers w/o a downtown office or any office (other than say... home) for that matter?
The trucks are a differant animal and require differant regulations. I hope we can work through this and allow for the service but keep sanitation issues safe. Since there are food trucks all over the US I am reasonably sure it can be done. Why dont you?
Or is this simply about limiting private enterprise and being "fair"?
hey, I think I'll take my own advice from above..... "click"
Jul 12, 2012 at 11:57 AM
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