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May 16, 2012

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Don Moore

My big concern is about the profitability issue. Are these the same folks who told us that the International Civil Rights Museum and ACC Hall of Champions would ALSO turn a profit? They also said that it would be propped up by the Hotel/Motel Tax; unless they have a special deal to hand it over to Matt Brown, I doubt he's will to give up that supplement to his empire.

John Amberg

News & Record article today about last night's city council meeting stated that the outside consulting group provided estimations of profit and economic impact but, oddly, were not asked by the city council or by the steering committee to provide estimates of construction cost or propose locations.

This is what is known as "tail wagging the dog" research. You only ask for information that you believe will support your pre-determined conclusion.

Matheny said, "Please give us your input." Why? This is a done deal. The die is cast. Robbie Baby already said so.

The PAC may be the best thing in the world for Greensboro. I have my doubts.

Fec

Thanks. I'm less concerned about Robbie's comments or my feelings about downtown than the way this process has occurred. However, I'm encouraged that our council members are proceeding cautiously. This is far from a done deal.

Brian

The National Governor's Association has issued a new report linking arts, design and culture to revitalized communities and an appropriate form of economic development. This might be interesting reading for those weighing pros/cons of the PAC.

Ron

While I agree we need to get this done the right way, I disagree with people who seem to want Greensboro be nothing more than a big little town. The truth is we are a growing city and whether we like it or not, we are competing against Charlotte and Raleigh when it comes to high paying white collar and blue collar jobs. One reason those cities seem to win out over Greensboro is because of having amenities such as a downtown performing arts center and a forward & progress mentality. Every time this city tries to do something that pushes Greensboro to a new level there is resistance. Mainly its because some folks want Greensboro to be just an over sized Mayberry. They don't want to see Greensboro become an urban metropolis of the new south.

Roch

It's that simple, huh?

Mad Dog

My concern is the revenue from the hotel/motel tax. Right now it is being used for the coliseum. It is also figured into the PAC for its proposed bond. And, Matt Brown has requested an additional bond of $23 million for coliseum improvements, to be paid from...wait for it...the hotel/motel tax.

So, how much h/m tax money is out there?

MD

Billy Jones

I find it interesting that they're still using that $50 Million Dollar cost estimate when every person who rode the bus to DPAC-- myself included-- was repeatedly told the cost would be closer to $60 Million PLUS the cost of land.

Ron wrote: "One reason those cities seem to win out over Greensboro is because of having amenities such as a downtown performing arts center and a forward & progress mentality."

That's BS and we all know it. Charlotte has been twice the size of Greensboro for over a century and Raleigh made itself bigger than Greensboro through the use of State tax dollars siphoned off from the rest of the state. Obviously Ron isn't from here or he never learned North Carolina history.

Mad Dog

Billy,

In case you haven't noticed, I have been quoting you whenever the $50 million figure comes up.

I hope you don't mind, as I do give you 100% credit!

MD

PS-Thanks for keeping us informed.

Billy Jones

MD, as long as the truth is spread I don't give a damn about credit. But thanks anyway!

John Amberg

"Mainly its because some folks want Greensboro to be just an over sized Mayberry. They don't want to see Greensboro become an urban metropolis of the new south."

Ron...no offense...but bullshit.

It's not a matter of people wanting this town to be Mayberry. It's a matter of people getting sick and tired of being bamboozled and lied to.

It's about elected officials and non-elected officials (not to be indiscreet but...Matt Brown) acting as though the City Council and local government was their own personal fiefdom.

It's our money. We have a right to demand how it is going to be spent and how much of it.


triadwatch

ditto to amberg and i want to also add that the action taken by matt "fiefdom" brown last night is the death to a downtown GPAC because if you saw the dog and pony show he just siphoned off the hotel and motel tax money for the coliseum for the next 20 years. Unless we see a " shell game" as Dr. Wade talked about last night then you will see none of that money downtown . Hey maybe we can see Dr. Wade bring up a bill in the state in regards to hotel/motel tax money going downtown, NOT.

ron

John tell me how we are being lied to. This is pretty straight forward. City leaders are pushing a plan for PAC that the citizens will vote on in November. The citizens will have the last say whether this bond passes or not. Be they thankful they didn't try to hide it with other bonds like the Aquatic Center.

John Amberg

Ron, it's the Aquatic Center and The White Oak Ampitheatre (which was being constructed before many in the City Council were even aware of it) that I was referring to. None of which gives me any confidence that we are going to be dealt with fairly in this PAC discussion.

Frankly I think all the "transparency" thus far amounts to a lot of window dressing.

Billy Jones

Ron, for starters, as I've already pointed out, we are being lied to about the cost of building the PAC.

Double Ditto, John Amberg.

Roch

"John tell me how we are being lied to."

I think reporting the results of a survey that stopped polling people after the first question if they answered that they were not interested in arts and cultural activities is dishonest.

Hartzman

"they're still using that $50 Million Dollar cost estimate w
hen every person who rode the bus to DPAC-- myself included--
was repeatedly told the cost would be closer to $60 Million
PLUS the cost of land."

Really.

Know anyone else who knows the same to be true Billy?

If that is the case,
what happened at Council?

Was that before Matt Brown opposed the hotel tax?
.
.
"It's not a matter of people wanting this town to be Mayberry.

It's a matter of people getting sick and tired
of being bamboozled and lied to."

Agreed.

"tell me how we are being lied to.

...City leaders are pushing a plan for PAC
that the citizens will vote on in November.

The citizens will have the last say
whether this bond passes or not."

And then the politicians say "the voters voted"?

This thing is being sold like the School bonds,
which many who fund our campaigns
and are members of the Greensboro Partnership and DGI
made a lot of money on for themselves.

Remember the quarter cent tax committee?

same thing, same players, different scalp.


Hartzman

"I think reporting the results of a survey
that stopped polling people after the first question
if they answered that they were not interested
in arts and cultural activities
is dishonest."

Agreed.

triadwatch

today in rhino times as i have been saying

"The council voted 8 to 1, with Wade voting no, to start the process to sell bonds to be paid for with the hotel-motel tax to make the Coliseum improvements. Wade voted no because using the money to enhance the Coliseum ties up the hotel-motel tax funds for the next 25 years."

Have fun trying to get all the money needed for a GPAC when Matt "fiefdom" Brown takes it all for the coliseum and his partner in fourrier from gcnvb with the 2 million dollar offices at canada dry building.

Hartzman

I have a strange feeling Matt is going to use the "uneeded money"
on the Auditorium at the Coliseum.

Ed Cone

Doesn't Matt work for the City, not the other way around?

Hartzman

Good question.

He kind of ownes the press with the ticket deals etc...

I guess it hasn't been mentioned yet.

If true, does the PAC task force know they got sold out?

I would bet Matt brought up the obvious play to sell the parking lot,
and Zugzwang.

bubba

"I think reporting the results of a survey that stopped polling people after the first question if they answered that they were not interested in arts and cultural activities is dishonest."

The entire process is dishonest, but we've come to expect that from how the Business As Usual crowd, gets things done in Our Fair City.

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