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Apr 03, 2012

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Fred Gregory

I miss Bill Knight

prell

"I miss Bill Knight"

Yeah, he was a peach.

Ben Holder

Ed, kids are fine and laughing..eating pizza as I write this. I checked my email and have NOTHING from DTR. Cameron said "we worked our butts off for Robbie Perkins to get him elected and he doesn't do anything for us."

Lex

Well, it IS funny that Perkins said that. He could have just said something like, "Let the record reflect that the speaker is Mr. Ben Holder; Madam Clerk, his address will be available from public records." Or even, "Troublemaker in the house, yo."

Ben Holder

Perkins is a dumbass. The funniest thing was I said it wa a personnel matter. I liked that part!

michele

The funniest thing is what Cameron said.

Trace

Isn't funny that you can break your back, break your neck for someone to get where they desired to be, then once there its as if they never knew you. Back then they were calling everything "sweat equity" .......Ben, glad you and the kids are C-O-O-L! Kick the can down the road, already!

Ben Holder

Procrastinate?

triadwatch

how much did Andrew Brod make from king zoning stud henry isaacson

Hugh

"this means war"

This could be interpreted by the Mayor or council members as literal which might open up a whole 'nother can of worms for Mr. Holder.

It also violates Sun Tzu's principle that war is deception as Mr. Holder is telegraphing his intentions to the opponent.

Billy Jones

triadwatch asked, "how much did Andrew Brod make from king zoning stud henry isaacson"

Good question. Andy, are you in the house?

Ben, Way to go!

Andrew Brod

That's between me and Henry, obviously.

But one observation about last night. I did a little research for a client and I included the appropriate caveats. The council members seemed to get the point, but one of their comments, about the county-wide nature of the data, partly missed the mark.

It's true that the data I dug up were county-wide rather than focused on the Raleigh and Charlotte downtowns. I noted as much in my memorandum. That's why the data on liquor permits were key, in particular the data on newly inactive permits. Clubs moving from one part of town to another would register as an increase in inactive permits. But my data showed there was no such increase after the other cities' ordinances were strengthened.

More broadly, what my research found was that there's no evidence that strengthened noise ordinances in Raleigh and Charlotte caused any economic problems for downtown nightlife. The numerical data were strong but not definitive, so I interviewed a few people, and they also said there were no problems. Is this the final word? Nope. Maybe other data that don't exist might contradict what I found. Maybe other observers of the Raleigh and Charlotte downtowns would have opposing opinions. But I think what my research means is that the burden of proof should now fall on those claiming economic disaster for downtown Greensboro if our noise ordinance is strengthened.

Okay, so that was more than one observation. See? I provide good value.

Triadwatch

Obviously if you are doing research while working for the taxpayers at unc- g than this is public record and needs to be transparent. Nice try king zoning stud Henry Isaacson you sounded like a man on his own island. Where was richie rich Roy Carroll last night?

Andrew Brod

I did this research as a private consultant.

However, just so you know for future reference, university research doesn't have to be "transparent." It depends on the type of research.

Billy Jones

So Andy, what types of university research must be transparent?

Andrew Brod

Call the university and find out. They have smart helpful people over there. But it's not relevant to this thread.

David Hoggard

Official Off Camera Account:

I had been sitting between Ben and his kids in the chamber for some time prior to him getting up to challenge the Council. When I asked what he was there to raise hell about, my friend said he wanted to know the meaning of some word... I just dropped it not understanding. But I sensed he seemed a little on edge for an entire hour as we made snide comments amongst ourselves as mundane Council matters came and went.

After he got up for his turn, and the scene escalated, with security gathering around Ben, I told told Cameron and Graham it was time for us to go and hustled them out of there before Ben's council-instructed "escorts" did what they are hired to do. I didn't want his children to see what I knew was about to happen.

Just as we got outside, we heard Ben's Rick Flair imitation emanate from the chamber, and Graham just smiled (Cameron was quite a bit more, how should I say... pensive).

Shortly after, Ben and his assigned entourage of 8 or 9 uniforms emerged through the Council's swinging doors, it was quite a site to behold. Ben said, "c'mon kids, if these guys will let us leave peacefully we will."

And they did.

If you think Ben can be a pill... just wait until his kids come of age. Glad to read the apology... and acceptance.

sittinginthemiddle

Ben, it is nice to see that yu have matured enough to notice when you make an ass of yourself to apologize. Now we are waiting for you to mature enough to not make an ass of yourself.

Ben Holder

Hogg,

You are a very sweet man and one helluva of a play by play reporter as well.

Sittinginthemiddle,

Please state your name?

Margaret Banks

The measure of a person isn't found in their screw-ups. It's found in the apologies for their screw-ups. No one had to wait long for Ben to do that.

sittinginthemiddle

"Please state your name?"- Ben


Sittinginthemiddle

sittinginthemiddle

"The measure of a person isn't found in their screw-ups. It's found in the apologies for their screw-ups"- Margaret


I beg to differ Margaret, it also lies in the ability of the person to learn from their screw ups not just apologize for them. I have never met a repeat offender who didn't apologize for the last offense.

Ben Holder

Banks,

I've never met a person named sittinginthemiddle that wasn't full of shit.

ps
Nice job on the Atkins story!

Billy Jones

sittinginthemiddle wrote: "I beg to differ Margaret, it also lies in the ability of the person to learn from their screw ups not just apologize for them. I have never met a repeat offender who didn't apologize for the last offense."

And I've never met an anonymous commenter who wasn't a sniveling coward. You are the lowest of the low.

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