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Jan 26, 2012

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Patrick Eakes

Thanks for reminding us of Will Blyth's quote, which represents a pretty good generalization of those who wear the light blue. He is free to believe it's about class resentment, but I think arrogance would fit better.

Foreclosure Attorney

In my teenage years in eastern NC, whether you rooted for Carolina or State was as important a question as "where do you go to church?"

Thomas

P.E. - +1

Ernie McCracken

That "class resentment" argument is ludicrous given that both schools are public universities. That argument holds more water if you compare UNC and Dook. I agree that arrogance is probably the best word, but I'd add jealousy too - at least in my experience. None of my friends who attended NCSU did so because it was their first choice. They were all denied admission to UNC and NCSU was their second choice. All were and still are also far wealthier than me (UNC Class of '04). It was kind of amusing to watch these lifelong UNC fans morph into die hard State fans during the course of their undergraduate careers. Blythe must have been channeling Sam Cassell when he wrote that.

Ed Cone

Blythe seems to be having fun with the ancient rivalry, and I'm sure he'd enjoy the reflexive rise to the bait shown by State fans each time this particular hook is thrown in the water.

Actual historical differences between Chapel Hill and its younger sibling aside, Blythe is hitting on something real about the rivalry: although State fans may nourish it, there hasn't been much to talk about for many years.

Carolina fans may remember the past, going all the way back to Everett Case, but since the '70s they've had to deal with the long-term excellence of Dook, plus a succession of shorter-lived pretensions to the throne by many other teams. State just hasn't been that relevant to them.

Things are more fun when the internecine battle has two sets of really interested fans, so it's good to see Gottfried rebuilding in Raleigh.

cheripickr

This is going to sound stupid and maybe more obvious to some than it was to me, but whatever arrogance,class resentment or stereotypes apply to NCS vs UNC, it seems to stop with the actual students. It is for us fans/alums/pundits and forget-about-Darfur-that-was-the-worst-officiated-game-I've-ever- seen-in-my-life types who just like to dress themselves and their cars in brightly colored costumes who live in that world. I learned that when my son and so many of his buds went off to one or the other two years ago. It is kind of heart-warming to learn that they are more grownup than we are.

Marshall

We should tax the proceeds of sports activities similar to capital gains..yes?

bubba

"We should tax the proceeds of sports activities similar to capital gains..yes?"

Actually, I was thinking along the lines of a consumption and/or sales tax here, Marshall.

A 15% capital gains tax collected on ticket sales, location concessions, broadcast rights, merchandise rights, sponsorship deals, alumni individual and corporate contributions, and the value of all full athletic scholarships in effect each year. subject to a fairness index increase for each position the school's teams advance in the Top 25 national rankings in each of the nationally ranked sports. In addition, all pro contracts signed by student athletes is subjected to an immediate 15% surcharge over the first 15 years of the athlete's pro career.

In the name of fairness to taxpayers, all proceeds will be used to retire the debt of the United States of America, including IOUs in the Social Security (non) "Trust Fund". Special provisions will be made for addicted fans' college sports de-tox treatments.

bubba

Ah, I forgot the most important tax.....15% on any collegiate sports wager at any sports book in the nation.

Ernie McCracken

"Ah, I forgot the most important tax.....15% on any collegiate sports wager at any sports book in the nation."

If only our beloved, former president hadn't signed the UIGEA into law back in 2006, us cappers could place such wagers in a legal manner and have our winnings taxed by the man. That would be anti-Jesus though. Gambling is bad. The Bible told me so.

bubba

"If only our beloved, former president hadn't signed the UIGEA into law back in 2006, us cappers could place such wagers in a legal manner and have our winnings taxed by the man."

No, son.......the WAGER is taxed. You pay up front, win or lose. In your case, it's pretty clear which of those categories claims you as a member. 


Ernie McCracken

Don't call me "son," Bob. You're not even capable of producing an heir, so it makes no sense that could produce progeny.

bubba

"You're not even capable of producing an heir, so it makes no sense that could produce progeny."

Whatever keeps you happy in your delusions of adequacy, son.

Ernie McCracken

"You're not even capable of producing an heir, so it makes no sense that could produce progeny."

Whatever keeps you happy in your delusions of adequacy, son."

I can produce children. You can't. Thread/

Ed Cone

CP, I've always heard that the players tend to get along well, too, at least Dook and UNC players -- haven't heard as much about NCSU.

I assume Ernie is kidding, as is his wont, about the lack of class divide. At least historically, UNC thought of itself as the flagship university of the system -- THE University of North Carolina -- and taunts of "Moo U" and "If you can't go to college, go to State," and so on are not forgotten. Having a med school and a law school in Chapel Hill, feeding generations of grads into the state's social and business elites, probably also contributes.

Kim

at least james summers figured it out

Patrick Eakes

Ernie, my experience is a little different than yours. I interviewed finalists for the top scholarship at State for about 15 years. Of course, all had their choice of top schools and many already had scholarship offers in hand (Angier B Duke, Morehead, etc). Over 90% of those finalists, only half of whom were offered our top scholarship, enrolled at State.

Patrick Eakes

Let's not forget Carolina's pep band playing Old MacDonald to taunt State. State was smart enough to own it and has played the tune after every game for decades.

Ed Cone

""The difference between culture and agriculture is 26 miles and 19 points."

The Cruel Kings of Carolina Strike Again: So, a quick recap: Carolina has now beat NC State 17 of 18 times in the most important sport in the state. At the same time, Tar Heel fans turn up their noses at Raleigh and pretend it doesn't even matter. Are you starting to see why "Not our ri-val!" is such a heartbreaking chant?

Patrick Eakes

At least in a literal sense, if you have to tell a team it's not your rival, it undercuts your words. I get the taunt loud and clear, though.

cheripickr

My son just corrected my earlier impression shared last night (told you it was stupid--guess I misunderstood some earlier comment). He now verifies that obnoxiousness, elitism and arrogance is as alive and well as ever, complete with full taunts to their friends who "weren't smart enough". He even knows of a Ch Hill frat that had a celebratory party theming UNC as "the one percent". Kind of ironic for such a highly evolved bastion of liberalism.

bubba

"I can produce children. You can't."

Ah yes, the "my sperm count is higher than your sperm count" taunt.

You reveal your adolescent mentality with that one, son. Bet it works great between class in your high school's corridors, stud.

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