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Sep 21, 2011

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Ron

I think its safe to say Mayor Knight will not be serving a second term for a number of reasons. East Greensboro and citizens from other parts of the city really do have a large get out to vote movement going on. Its the first time I have seen such a movement for a city council election. Danny Thompson may be in danger since he is an at-large council member. If I had to bet the farm, Knight, Rakestraw and Thompson will be voted out. Wade will remain because she has too many supporters in her district.

 Abner Doon

Bill Knight - Agreed.

Danny Thompson - Agreed.

Jim Kee - tried at first to sell out his community
for some pie in the sky technology
just like Yvonne did with Ultra...

Zack sold out for votes to run for mayor later.

Nancy and Robbie just cost city taxpayers
somewhere between 3 and 8 million per year
on top of the tens of millions spent so far.

They used race politics to stir a financial issue kettle.

Robbie appears to have sold his soul to be mayor.

What do you think the compromize was?


Ed Cone

Your take on Zack makes the leap from skeptical to cynical, Ab. How about the possibility that he did the right thing because it was the right thing?

As for the alleged costs, you seem trapped in a very limited model, where a 1% short term reduction to the budget is the best option. But what about other cost-saving possibilities, which have not been fully pursued, and reinvestment of savings in a cohesive, long-term solution? Your logic may be penny wise and pound foolish; one of the failings of the process to date is that we have not really explored all those details.

Ron

I have notice the Zack avoids controversial decisions. He tries to be all things to all people so he has a chance of being mayor one day. I think anybody can see Zack wants to be mayor. He is somewhat like a Robbie Perkins in training haha.

Brian

Danny Thompson - Disagreed. His attempt came too little too late and he willingly played along with the mini-majority and never used the City Council meetings to express a different vision. In the end, he was not willing to go for a different, better solution, but for a contract with GCWS. No principles, just pandering. 2nd biggest loser behind Knight.

Janet Wright

"Wade will remain because she has too many supporters in her district."

I'm not certain that she necessarily has a large number of supporters. The issue is that no one was willing or able to go up against her.

With all due respect to those who took the leap and filed against her, they are not particularly strong (viable?) candidates.

Joe Guarino

Are we satisfied with an outcome on such a major issue being decided by an interim city attorney?

Are we satisfied that Nancy Vaughan and Robbie Perkins both were deemed eligible to vote even though both had blatant conflicts of interest?

It is absurd that landfill opponents were heaping praise on Goldie Wells the credit last night. The "credit" belongs to Tom Pollard and George House.

Joe Guarino

That should be "heaping praise on Goldie Wells last night."

michele
"The "credit" belongs to Tom Pollard and George House."

The credit belongs to DOING THE RIGHT THING. The right thing is ALWAYS the right thing to do. Time for a transparent, inclusive, unshady process that leads to the best trash solution for our community.

Mick

Which may include the use (at least temporarily) of the existing facility... yes or no?

JC

sorry, Nancy and Robbie cannot be considered winners. Nancy and Robbie cost the city millions while playing divisive politics and offered no new solutions to the problem.

1% of the Greenboro budget is a substantial amount Ed. In fact, I'll wager it will be close to the amount either candidate will endorse for a tax increase soon for one of their pet projects.

michele
"Which may include the use (at least temporarily) of the existing facility... yes or no? "

Could be -- if that's what's indicated after a transparent, deliberative, reasoned, inclusive process that is untainted by pressure and shenanigans from a potential vendor.

Roch101

"Are we satisfied with an outcome on such a major issue being decided by an interim city attorney?" -- Pervaricatin' Joe

You mean by a judge.

Ed Cone

Yes, JC, 1% of the budget is substantial.

But the idea that Council just wasted that money doesn't make sense to me.

For one thing, other options remain to be explored, including the possibility of using White Street in the future and investing savings in a long-term plan. One could make the case that not rushing to reopen the landfill and thus using up our leverage too quickly was a prudent financial decision.

And, as I think Michele was pointing out, even the raw savings would come at a cost. Not much is free in this world, as you well know, and not all costs are measured in dollars.

Roch101

"It is absurd that landfill opponents were heaping praise on Goldie Wells the credit last night. The "credit" belongs to Tom Pollard and George House." -- Prevaricatin' Joe

You have asserted numerous times, Joe, that George House was responsible for getting Bill Knight and Trudy Wade to nominate and second attorney Pollard. Yet, that has never been reported and, despite being asked numerous times at your blog, you decline to attribute that assertion to anything or anyone.

Joe Guarino

Roch, the judge essentially deferred to the city attorney, and did not rule on the merits, at least according to the N&R article.

Ed Cone

So Joe thinks that a high-powered private attorney recommended a fellow-traveling secret liberal to a trusting Mayor and Council, knowing that the Manchurian Advocate's 30 year record would fool them all, and that Pollard would, at the appropriate moment, throw the dump issue in favor of, er, "East Greensboro," and the high-powered private attorney also allowed himself to be beaten in court by some hippie named Brook, all for the sake of the hidden agenda?

Sounds entirely plausible to me. I don't even need evidence.

JC

I'm glad you and I agree on that 1%. Some of our councilmember's didnt.

"One could make the case that not rushing to reopen the landfill and thus using up our leverage too quickly was a prudent financial decision."

One could also make the case that this exercise proved we don't have the political capitol to open White Street, at any time, for any reason. At this point the city cannot reasonably expect to use White Street as "leverage".

I disagree of your labeling two people "winners" who killed the process moving forward without sound, reasonable alternatives. As you state, Greensboro needs a cost effective garbage plan. White Street was a reasonable idea. Some council members didnt like it. Ok, fine. Where is their reasonable idea?

Roch101

Joe's right, the ruling did not confirm Pollard's opinion, but affirmed his ability to make that opinion -- a check on the process.

I requested the minutes of the closed session where Pollard was nominated to see who hoodwinked council into nominating the Manchurian Attorney. They were not released as I was told they are protected by personnel law.

Ed Cone

JC, we're not going to earn that political capital by trying to ram through a plan lacking in vision and transparency and respect for all parties.

That's what just got stopped.

You don't need a fully developed alternative to make stopping a bad plan worthwhile.

Now that's done, it's time to see some good planning and then a good plan.

Meno

As an observer I was very impressed Jim Kee over recent weeks. Is there substance to his mild-mannered and rational style?

Tony Wilkins

Janet W.: "Wade...I'm not certain that she necessarily has a large number of supporters".

I am.

Tony Wilkins

You left out one on your original post above:
Taxpayers. Losers.

Ed, just for giggles, how would your winner/loser game change if the council had chosen Waste Industries and we were now in the process of saving taxpayers an estimated $3-4M per year?

Ed Cone

Tony, I've explained up-thread why I (a taxpayer) don't think taxpayers are losers in this process to date.

Not sure I understand the question about WI -- what would be different in a rushed, untransparent, high-handed award of a contract to one company rather than another? (All things being equal, I'd prefer to do business with a local company like Griffin, but this process didn't get us to the point of making a reasonable deal with any vendor.)

bubbaa

"How about the possibility that he did the right thing because it was the right thing?"

Since he's been in office, he's known for doing the wrong things for the wrong reasons.

The citizens of Greensboro are the losers of this circus orchestrated primarily by Perkins and Vaughan.

Janet Wright

Tony,

Perhaps I'm wrong about that.

Clearly she would have support from the republicans in her district and MAYBE she has some democratic supporters left over from the days when she was a democrat.

Fec

The citizens of Greensboro are the losers of this circus orchestrated primarily by Perkins and Vaughan.

How in the world is that even remotely possible? My recollection is of four conservatives spending months being tight lipped and trying to ram through a proposal that the rest of council simply tried to understand.

bubbaa

"My recollection is of four conservatives spending months being tight lipped and trying to ram through a proposal that the rest of council simply tried to understand."

Sure. Whatever you say.

Fec

Seriously, that's your response?

bubba

"Seriously, that's your response?"

It's the response you deserved.

How are the citizens of this city better served with the staus quo preserved?

Fec

Uh, the status quo will last only for a month or two. Then a new council, hopefully devoid of a few of those tight lipped conservatives, will engage in a transparent investigation of all our options and arrive at an informed decision which will both save us money and put us in an excellent position to deal effectively with our waste in the future.

Billy Jones

But they're conservatives, how could they be part of the bought and paid for staus quo?

Oh wait, I think I just answered my own question.

bubba

Geez, the rocket scientists.......

"The status quo" referred to the landfill.

Fec

Fortunately, I don't need to be a rocket scientist to distinguish facts from unproven conspiracies. The ultimate irony is that all the time you are defending the mini-majority, you have no clue as to their agenda. So, you invent intrigues where none are known to exist and ignore those which are apparent to the rest of us. I have a hard time believing you're serious.

Jim Langer

The trash biz nationwide has always been dirty politics, rife with corruption, from long times past. Why should Greensboro be any different?

Billy Jones

Bubba, what do rocket scientists have to do with Greensboro's garbage? Is someone planning to ship our garbage to Mars?

bubba

"Fortunately, I don't need to be a rocket scientist to distinguish facts from unproven conspiracies."

Based on your past history?

Hardly.

JC

"JC, we're not going to earn that political capital by trying to ram through a plan lacking in vision and transparency and respect for all parties."

Sorry Ed, I just disagree with this characterization. There was no solution, NONE, that the opposition would accept that included reopening White Street. I also find it disingenuous that in the months of planning not a single alternative was proposed.

We're just going to have to disagree on your definition of "winner".

Laurie

If his neglected constituents in College Hill have any say, Zach will be freed from his wishy-washy role on the City Council soon. We hope to get some representation on the council for District 3 by voting in Jay Ovittore.

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