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Aug 16, 2011

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Billy Jones

Proponents had what they thought was a 15 year long term plan.

That said, I thought their plan sucked but when it comes to politics, 15 years is about as long term as it gets.

michele

If this council awards a contract, can the next council undo it and close the landfill again?

Mad Dog

I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV, but the key component is contract. The City Council could undo what the previous Council did. Would it be legal? The wronged party, the guy who had the contract to haul, can always sue and, if it gets to court, then the judge would decide the legality based on contract law I would expect.

Dirty Harry says a man has to know his limitations, and I just ran mine out. So we need Spag or someone with that knowledge to jump in anytime.

MD

Billy Jones

So where is this regional landfill going to be placed-- Montgomery County? High Point? Kernersville? Durham? There is no place in Guilford County that qualifies and anywhere outside of Guilford County gets us right back to that $8 Million a year in transportation costs. When you consider the EPA and DENR runoff regulations, roads, existing development there really are few options.

One option that does exist but probably won't fly with your buddy, Robbie, is to place a regional landfill right slap dab in the middle of the properties slated for his Aerotropolis, HOT or whatever he's calling it now.

Thompson is blowing smoke.

Ed Cone

The idea is that an equity stake in a regional landfill, purchased out of the savings banked over the next several years, would offset the transportation costs.

Billy Jones

Ed, "The idea is that an equity stake in a regional landfill, purchased out of the savings banked over the next several years, would offset the transportation costs."

Okay, sure, but what then? Are we fighting this battle just so we can fight it again in a few more years? Wait, we just did that.

And learned what?

Are we going to close White Street again in 5-7 more years then spend the next 5 fighting about it. Then open another phase only to do it all over again?

The technology is out there-- the leadership is nowhere to be found.

Like I said, Thompson is blowing smoke. As is the rest of Council.

Billy Jones

Just in case you didn't get it: There is no place to put a regional landfill closer than Montgomery County. Therefore, a regional landfill is not a solution.

Ed Cone

A cost-effective regional solution would last for a generation or more, not just several years, and the maturation of technology over decades could extend that life or drive the next-generation solution.

In my view, reopening the currently-permitted section of White Street for several years in order to fund a long-range solution is a much more palatable option than reopening it with no plan beyond "maybe we'll win the lawsuits and stick the neighborhood with the dump for many more years to come, or, um, who knows?"

And promises of sunsetting the reopened dump aren't good enough -- we need guarantees.

Billy Jones

Ed: "And promises of sunsetting the reopened dump aren't good enough -- we need guarantees."

I can guarantee you White Street will be sunsetted when it is filled to capacity if not before. How's that for a reasonable and honest guarantee?

But seriously, what are you talking about when you say, a cost-effective regional solution? What is that?

What is Thompson talking about?

All is see is smoke and you're toking?

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