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Aug 22, 2011

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Craftyboro

Amen!

John Amberg

Ed, this is an avenue that at least should have been explored.

As it stands, 4 members of the City Council made decision, would not explain why at the council meeting, and refused to answer media questions.

They, in point of fact, are toast come November.

Anon

What is even more interesting is that Gate City Waste, lead by David Griffin, got a home team bounce by being picked without being the low bidder.

Will the lower bidder(s) sue to force Council to justify their decision? Will Griffin pay them not to?

Will a Randolph landfill open in 2013 as planned?

It ain't over......

Abner Doon

Take the savings and buy into Randolph.

A little counterpoint...

http://www.news-record.com/blog/2011/08/19/entry/the_white_street_landfill_the_more_things_change

John D. Young

I still contend that every county including Guilford County and the City of Greensboro should dispose of their waste within Guilford County. The idea of depending on other counties for waste solutions for Greensboro will prove to be a mistake down the road. The use of poorer and less developed counties like Montgomery or Randolph as a dump site for Greensboro is not the solution.

If you make the trash you should dispose of your trash without picking on poorer counties even if their current political leadership, looking for every $$, claims that it is currently a good idea. The waste of fossil fuel for transportation and the environmental damage to poorer counties should keep Greensboro's garbage close to Greensboro. What many poorer counties have is a great deal of scenic beauty that should lead down the road to the growth of eco-tourism.

John D. Young

My first sentence above is a little confusing. I should have said every county should dispose of its waste within its county boundaries.

Andrew Brod

Yeah, but it was more provocative as you had it originally.

John D. Young

Indeed AB! A little too provocative to defend. Even though I guess I could argue that Montgomery County should return a lot of Greensboro's trash back to Guilford County.

As we move towards more sustainability like the local food movement, etc. we should not depend on shipping our trash way down the road to make it someone else's problem.

Ron

the "four" are not interested in long range planning. Its all politics. Quite frankly, they want to vote for anything that going to piss Diane Bellamy Small and Robbie Perkins off.

tom phillips

Randolph County is not interested in Greensboro buying an equity interest in their landfill but they will take our trash. Before the council can work on a regional solution they need to understand regional politics.

Tony Wilkins

John Amberg: "4 members of the City Council...and refused to answer media questions".

Not true. But fan away.

Billy Jones

As I understand it, the so called "regional landfill" is sited on 300 acres. Not very big for a regional landfill and smaller than what we already have.

Something about this picture just isn't right.

Mr. Phillips? Ed? Anyone?

triadwatch

also can add that in yes weekly blog nancy vaughan talks about protest petition also being a part of this process if they try to open up the other phases of the landfill. Let's see them try to get around the protest petiton for greensboro.

Mad Dog

Somebody help me out here. I thought protest petitions were for rezoning protests. Since White Street is already zoned & permitted, how does the protest petition fit in?

MD

Mad Dog

I read deeper and think I answered by own question. White Street expansion areas are only zoned for fill dirt disposal, not household waste. So expansion would require some rezoning.

MD

Billy Jones

I think triadwatch is confusing issues. It's not a zoning issue. The zoning for the White Street including the expansion areas (Heavy Industrial, I think) allows a landfill(s). Zoning is local. What the expansion areas don't have is permitting via NC DENR at the state level. Zoning and permitting are two different issues, zoning controlled by the city and subject to protest petitions and permitting subject to North Carolina Department of Environment and Natural Resources, aka NC DENR.

If protest petitions came into play they would have been used before now and the argument would be finished.

I do hope someone will address the issues I posted above:

"As I understand it, the so called "regional landfill" is sited on 300 acres. Not very big for a regional landfill and smaller than what we already have.

Something about this picture just isn't right."

Kim

Billy, just the other day, I heard the same argument on the protest petition/rezoning isssue on the expansion areas only.

Lex

The city charter allows citizens to petition for the enactment, or elimination, of any city ordinance, with the issue being put to referendum if the appropriate number of signatures is gathered and the council still refuses to do what petitions seek. Ordinances include, but are not limited to, zoning. This process (which brought us the first municipal limits on smoking in public places in 1989 or thereabouts) is distinct from the protest petition, although obviously similar in some ways.

Dr. Mary Johnson

Gentlemen, as the editorial alludes, the Randolph County landfill proposition is a pet project of the County Manager, Dick Wells, (for money), but is being flown in more-or-less under the radar of most Asheboro residents.

As I understand what has gone down so far, Tom Phillips is correct about Wells' position on "equity" interest. The proposed landfill will not be the Randleman Dam. This is trash-for-profit - with Randolph County totally running the show.

And when the good-ole-boys running Randolph County run anything, you can count on plenty of incompetence and corruption.

Moreover, in terms of getting word out about Wells' schemes (or the public being able to openly debate them), (1) the Courier Tribune has dived under a paywall, (2) blogs in Asheboro are not what they are in Greensboro, (3) the only Randolph County blog that really discusses touchy issues is mine - and (4) I've been on break most of the summer.

You could call it a "dramatic lack of openess".

It's my understanding that nothing has been approved, and the proposition is still being studied . . . not very long ago, the county commissioners approved several hundred thousand dollars (a fairly large expenditure for Randolph County) to hire consultants to study the issue.

As I said, many residents of Asheboro/Randolph County don't know what is going on . . . and many of those who do are not happy about it - the dollar signs in Dick Wells' eyes be damned.

Becoming "Trashboro" is not on our list of things to do.

As other posters here point out, if the landfill in Asheboro becomes a reality, a richer county will be dumping their trash on a poorer county . . . East Greensboro on East Asheboro - without very many people speaking up for East Asheboro.

And I'll just bet all of the "moral arguments" batted around by East Greensboro residents, predicated on race, will not apply.

But please do let people like Ed Cone (and whatever water-carrier wrote that piece of tripe at the N&R) tell you that Greensboro dumping its trash on Asheboro for 30 years is a big "creative" "win" for everybody.

Ed Cone

Thanks for the report, Mary.

Environmental concerns are not limited to East Greensboro.

It's easy for people to say they're not interested in selling equity, until they have to fund a project and someone has a few million bucks to offer.

John D. Young

Rockingham County, Montgomery County and Randolph County, etc., etc. are not solutions for Greensboro's trash. Greensboro/Guilford County has many more options than just the White Street Landfill. Greensboro's trash should stay in Guilford County for many reason. Just because most every city and county is desperate for $$s (and the poorer cities/counties are really, really desperate) is not a sound reason to create another "Trashboro."

What some Randolph County politicians are trying to create, with a "dramatic lack of openness" will prove in the end to be a bad idea for Randolph County and for Greensboro.

Dr. Mary Johnson

Randolph County politicians will be Randolph County politicians.

Cue the banjos.

Re-opening/expanding the Asheboro landfill to the whole world's trash IS a bad idea. As I recall, part of the reason the County closed the old landfill was because they couldn't do what was necessary to ensure it was environmentally safe/up to state & Federal specs.

With our uber-sorry local newspapers holding no one accountable for anything in Asheboro/Randolph County, and law enforcement deaf/dumb/blind if something involves a "right person" (or anything that threatens one), and the state with ZERO money to do proper policing, do you really expect this much-less-technically-gifted-than-Greensboro crowd to do it right? To be accountable? To be safe?

Oh wait. I know. It's only Asheboro. And anyone living south of GSO's holy city limits can just roll over and get over it.

Easy or not, Edward, Dick Wells is NOT interested in sharing equity. He wants the profit all to himself. And he is the kind of guy very willing to cut corners to keep it.

Account Deleted

Hi John and Mary. Just to be clear on John's comment, Rockingham County has not sought any expansion of their landfill operations or to become a player in regional trash solutions.

A private developer Kevan Combs from Oak Ridge is currently trying to find a way to get permits for a privately operated landfill on the Dan River near Eden, but he is meeting with near total and passionate opposition from the people and business community.

We hope the Randolph action actually undercuts Mr. Combs' idea for a landfill here. That is, of course, if Mary and her neighbors actually want the thing.

We in Rockingham County do not. In fact, so far we have attracted about 520 members to a grassroots Facebook page in opposition to his development plans. The page is managed by a group of folks from across the political spectrum.

Dr. Mary Johnson

Jeff, have I not made clear that I certainly don't want "the thing" in Asheboro (Billy has made some excellent points about simple logistics in another Word Up thread), and that most of my neighbors in Randolph County don't have a clue about what Dick Wells is plotting?

I've heard rumblings amongst the lowly plebes that do know, that this kind of thing should be put before the people in a referendum . . . not shoved through the usual back doors by Randolph County's top hired gun.

And, as I've indicated, Facebook or no Facebook, the Internet in Randolph County is not what it is in Guilford - or even Rockingham County. Organizing opposition to anything that the "right people" do is loads harder.

Bloggers are thought of as dirt by the powers-that-be . . . no thanks to fine upstanding progressive web presences like Ed Cone.

He could come down and give his lectures at the local library, but at the same time, let his minions rip Dr. Mary Johnson to shreds for coming forward and telling the TRUTH about what was done her when she came back to Asheboro to serve medically underserved children . . . and make NO MISTAKE, what was done to her after she put one of those children first was done, in large part, to protect the hospital that bears his family name.

Call me "crazy", but there's no doubt in my mind that when Mary showed up on Blogsboro's back door, Ed was given his marching orders by all the Cones on the Boards and Foundations.

Shut her up. Shut her down.

And I am PISSED OFF enough now to keep blogging FOREVER just to make sure that little, very ugly, part of the Cone "legacy" is well known.

In terms of "relevance" . . or even grass roots efforts . . . Ed Cone is the architect of one of Blogsboro's EPIC failures.

Now he wants to dump his hometown's garbage on my hometown. It's a "win-win" in Ed's eyes and that's all that matters.

Well, suit up for a fight.

Funny how a plan comes together, eh?

As you "wish me well", Ed, say hello to your buddy, Fec.

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