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Aug 29, 2011


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Are these folks born ignorant, or is this some sort of social degeneration that occurs over time? Regardless, I really need to get around to reading this old book of folk tales that these simpletons keep trying to force upon us all. I've heard it's chock full o' lulz.

Dave Ribar


Do they mean the Biblical standard in Deuteronomy 22?

If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,” then the young woman’s father and mother shall bring to the town elders at the gate proof that she was a virgin. Her father will say to the elders, “I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, ‘I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.’ But here is the proof of my daughter’s virginity.” Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. They shall fine him a hundred shekels[b] of silver and give them to the young woman’s father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.

If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.

If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

"Marriage was ordained by God, not by government. God set it in motion," said the Rev. Ron Baity, president of Return America, a Winston-Salem-based conservative Christian organization that has led rallies in Raleigh on behalf of the amendment.

"We’re trying to uphold the biblical standard of marriage."

This is about politics, not faith. If the real concern was with Biblical standards of marrige and morality, then Return America (and other Christian Right groups) would also be asking for a ban on things that straight Christians do at a similar rate to non-Christians: divorce, adultery, sex outside marriage, unwed births, cohabitation, viewing pornography, etc.


You mean this standard?


Ed Cone

The standard we uphold involves the accident of our genders, the no-adultery thing, and registering for some tasteful home furnishings.

No concubines, slaves, or stoning (thanks for the chart, Taylor).


I'd like some context on legislators who will be voting about anything called a "Defense of Marriage" amendment.

Specifically, which legislators have destroyed individual marriages by engaging in divorce?

Which legislators have broken their marriage vows?

Which legislators have been married more than once?

Which legislators law or business partners that facilitate divorces?

Can someone give me a good reason reporters don't ask these questions?

Reporters would ask these questions if there was a conflict of interest or raging hypocrisy on another matter. Why not this matter?

Andrew Brod

That is truly a great chart.

I'm sold. Now, how does one find a concubine? My wife might be mad, but hey, it's Biblical! So, do they have them on eBay?



>>"This is about politics, not faith."

Dead on, And, to me, it seems just another hot button issue that the rich fat cat side of the GOP uses to manipulate the True Believers in the ranks.

I'd see any attempt to use the force of law to ban adultery, porn, booze, etc., in the name of faith as an obvious attempt to impose specific religious notions on the general public. Christians, fundamentalist or otherwise, have no more right to do that than do peyote eater. To me, that imposition is a greater threat than the "sins" it would try to outlaw.

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