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Jul 26, 2011

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HJ

"The problem with America today is that the Republicans hate -- truly hate -- their President more than they love their country. And they will run this country into the ground to prove it."
Spoken by an 83 year old die-hard Republican

Not all Repubs but certainly the tea party variety share this view.

Don Moore

That small group of extremists are apparently supported by 63% of the country according to some polls.

polifrog
That small group of extremists are apparently supported by 63% of the country according to some polls.

Well said.

The true extremist minority are those who believe in the fantasy of endless debt dollars buying "nice things".

Billy Jones

"That small group of extremists are apparently supported by 63% of the country according to some polls."

Then that 63% will share the blame.

polifrog
"The problem with America today is that the Republicans hate -- truly hate -- their President more than they love their country. And they will run this country into the ground to prove it." Spoken by an 83 year old die-hard Republican

Not all Repubs but certainly the tea party variety share this view.

Regression to childhood via dementia.

greensboro transplant

"The problem with America today is that the Republicans hate -- truly hate -- their President more than they love their country. And they will run this country into the ground to prove it."

sorry. but that's bullshit. and, if you believe it, then shame on you.

MojoNixon

"sorry. but that's bullshit. and, if you believe it, then shame on you."

Absolutely not bullshit. The Tea Party hates Obama -- no question about it. And they are going to run this economy off a cliff in the coming days with either a downgrade or default. And make no mistake, they and their unwillingness to compromise will come back to haunt them. But not before it haunts the rest of us.

Imbeciles.

polifrog

Ed Cone:

Boehner can't control his own caucus. The United States is being held hostage by a small group of extremists.

Billy Jones:

Then that 63% will share the blame.

Spag:

Maybe someday a liberal can explain to me how a majority of Americans can be considered "extremists".

Spag has a point guys...

greensboro transplant

"The Tea Party hates Obama -- no question about it".

Now we've gone from Republicans in general to just tea partiers. That's progress i guess. But still, it's so painfully stupid and naive that it hurts.


bubba

"And make no mistake, they and their unwillingness to compromise will come back to haunt them......Imbeciles."

Political fear, desperation, and demagoguery at it's finest.

Good work, jojo.

MojoNixon

"Now we've gone from Republicans in general to just tea partiers. That's progress i guess. But still, it's so painfully stupid and naive that it hurts. "

Show me one scintilla of compromise offered by House Republicans affiliated with Tea Party. Just one.

Obama and Boehner have worked their asses off to try to head off a calamity, but the Tea Party will have none of it. They paint the President as a socialist at every opportunity, and their open disdain for him has motivated them as much as any "principles" they have about fiscal austerity. Plan A is simply to wreck the economy and blame it on Obama.

And where in the hell do freshmen in the House -- peons of the three branches -- get off in precipitating a national catastrophe? Make no mistake, it is not "Washington's fault". It's the Tea Party's fault. They will own this and rue this.

greensboro transplant

"Show me one scintilla of compromise offered by House Republicans affiliated with Tea Party. Just one."

So, your evidence that they hate obama is that they won't compromise. interesting.

Just curious, do you think they hate obama or his policies?

MojoNixon

Not political fear in the least, Sideshow.

Again, the Tea Party loses in this, no matter what. Politically speaking, you and your like will find a way to hand Obama re-election even in the face of seriously diminished liberal support for him. You will put get a clown like Bachmann nominated, she will get a headache, and that's that. But economically speaking, the fear is immense. So, good job to your heroes in getting the serious attention they have longed for, but it's going to batter our economy in the process. Obama's campaign will paint this in masterful strokes that makes "Hope" look like a kindergarten doodle -- regardless of whether it's substantive.

You -- more than anyone on here -- has been predicting Obama's downfall in 2012. Ironic it will be, then, that your fringe group will hand him the election with a downgrade / default. But your lot certainly will have had its fun wrecking things in the process.

MojoNixon

"So, your evidence that they hate obama is that they won't compromise. interesting.

Just curious, do you think they hate obama or his policies?"

Please. Evidence that they hate Obama is plastered all over Fox News every night. No need to prove something so obvious. Get your head out of that hole.

And concerning whether it's Obama or his policies, they have become one and the same with the Tea Party. It's quite likely in US history that no single faction of Congress has so publicly disrespected a sitting President to the degree that the Tea Party has Obama.

HJ

Interesting. Coble (one of the 60 hostage takers) is not available via "contact" or "email" Kinda like putting your fingers in your ears.

bubba

Ah, the smell of desperation and fear grows by the moment. I am enjoying this immensely.

john hayes

Spag:
"Maybe someday a liberal can explain to me how a majority of Americans can be considered "extremists"."

Maybe we're just a center-right-extreme country?

Ed Cone

Read the first part of the short post, too -- Boehner can't control his own caucus.

This isn't about a majority of the country, not even a majority of the House GOP -- it's about 60 or so reps with extreme views.

Hijacking a routine but vital process was a bad idea in the first place, made much worse because a small group of absolutists have disproportionate power.

JC

So if they are so far off base Ed, so "extreme", why havent the Democrats in the house sided with them to get something passed?

Oh, I forgot, the Democrats arent willing to compromise on spending.

bubba

"Oh, I forgot, the Democrats arent willing to compromise on spending."

They didn't even have a plan until Reid cobbled one up a few days ago.

justcorbly

Frog, you need to stop making things up. Show me one of those "extremists" who believe in the "fantasy of endless dollars". You talking about Obama? The guy who wants to cut spending and increase revenue to reduce the deficit? Where's the fantasy in that? You're just fabricating things because, like the Voodoo Conservative you are, you want to make corporations richer and people like me poorer.

Bubba's making stuff up, too, but that's to be expected. Just one more Voodoo Kool-Aid Drinker who can't tell reality from mumbo-jumbo.

It's fair to equate Tea Party nutters with the GOP, since they've got that party by the balls. Hope the Speaker enjoys the squeeze. He will out of a job next winter, along with most of those Voodoo worshipers.

bubba

"The guy who wants to cut spending and increase revenue to reduce the deficit? Where's the fantasy in that?"

Where's his plan, corbs? Where is it written down, specifying named cuts?

justcorbly

Bubba, your side irrationally refuses to even discuss increasing revenue. You and tje other Voodo Nutters would just trash any plan without reading it?

After all, it's your quisling speaker who walked out of talks to score points with the loonies that are sucking his blood.

You can get away with that kind of crap when you're dancing under the Moon with the rest of the loons, but not with rational people.

justcorbly

Business Week - famous extremist journal believing in the fantasy of endless money -- posts story headlined, "Republican Leaders Voted for Debt Drivers They Blame on Obama".

Nutcase Voodoo conservatives engage in mass prayer for god to take away their power of reading.

Bill Yaner

Politics is first and foremost about compromise. And if Boehner could not get his freshmen to accept the most significant cost cutting proposal in the history of our country because - God forbid - it contained some revenue enhancements, then the asylum is being run by the inmates.

John Amberg

I voted for Obama, but I think he's done a pretty rotten job. I do not believe he deserves a second term.

But he very well may get one. Because the Tea Party will do exactly what Mojo said; namely nominate a candidate who couldn't win a free ticket to a "Ladies In Free" night at the ballpark, much less an election. Here's the Tea Party Hit Parade: Sharron Angle. Christie O'Donnell. Linda McMahon. And now, bubbling under the top 10, Michelle "Not Tonight-I Have A Headache" Bachman.

Barack Obama may be the first president since Franklin Roosevelt to be re-elected with an unemployment rate above 8%. And if the Tea Party types have their way, that's exactly what will happen.

MojoNixon

As was made apparent to Bubs, the Tea Partiers are about to shoot themselves in the foot. From the WSJ Opinion page, no less:

"But what none of these critics have is an alternative strategy for achieving anything nearly as fiscally or politically beneficial as Mr. Boehner's plan. The idea seems to be that if the House GOP refuses to raise the debt ceiling, a default crisis or gradual government shutdown will ensue, and the public will turn en masse against . . . Barack Obama. The Republican House that failed to raise the debt ceiling would somehow escape all blame. Then Democrats would have no choice but to pass a balanced-budget amendment and reform entitlements, and the tea-party Hobbits could return to Middle Earth having defeated Mordor.

This is the kind of crack political thinking that turned Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell into GOP Senate nominees. The reality is that the debt limit will be raised one way or another, and the only issue now is with how much fiscal reform and what political fallout."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903591104576470061986837494.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

bubba

"Bubba, your side irrationally refuses to even discuss increasing revenue."

Here's a clue corbs: Revenue will come from ecoonomic growth and the creation of new jobs.

Neither of these things are occurring in any significant amount under the statist malfeasants who currently control the White House and the Senate, and neither is likely to occur until significant federal spending cuts take place.

Billy Jones

Bubba: "Revenue will come from ecoonomic growth and the creation of new jobs."


Aka, ponzi schemes and housing bubbles, the exact sorts of things Republicans used to cause this mess in the first place.

Funny, Bubba actually believes that the solution to a man who steals from you is to turn him loose and let him steal again.

john hayes

Could it be that the fact that more Democrats voted against the debt ceiling bill than Republicans means that Nancy Pelosi couldn't control her liberal caucus who are a small group of extremists (albeit larger than the Tea Party caucus) who would hold the United States hostage?

Ed Cone

The comparison is limited at best, John. Pelosi and Boehner were in different spots. I'd guess that a lot more Ds would have voted yes in a closer vote.

The radicalism lies in the larger context of using a routine and necessary event to dictate policy, at some significant risk to the economy. That's where the hard-liners in Boehner's caucus made a sudden and dramatic change -- the definition of "radical" -- and went on to humiliate him. The Democrats, for better or worse, are much more dedicated to the status quo.

john hayes

There was nothing preventing those 95 Democrats from voting with the other Democrats and non-Tea Party Republicans to pass Boehner's bill last week. Their "no" vote is a "no" vote none the less and their refusal to pass the bill was no less an effort to dictate policy "at some significant risk to the economy". Further, why did this group combat a "routine and necessary event" and why is that not "radical"?

"The Democrats, for better or worse, are much more dedicated to the status quo."

Hope they latch on to that one as their new campaign theme. "Hope and change" not likely to carry them very far next time...

Ed Cone

I'm comfortable with the nomenclature and distinctions I've made so far.

But you're right that the Democrats squandered their chances, and will have to continue to answer for their ineptitude. All they can hope for now is that the GOP scares people even worse.

bubba

"I'm comfortable with the nomenclature and distinctions I've made so far."

We've long ago learned you have no sense of shame or embarrassment over your mistakes and bad judgement.

Thomas

Here is an interesting take on the recent debate.

Doug H

@Thomas: Nice link! My respect for Frum is growing as I hear such clarity and rationality from him. He almost makes me want to be a Republican.

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