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Jan 20, 2010

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Tim

Some how I get the feeling this isnt over. This seems to be going through to easily. Im sure there is at least one person on council against this project. The city council does have say over one more thing and thats the parking deck. We'll see how this drama plays out

Brandon Burgess

I wonder if there is this much confusion with other projects involving these bonds in the rest of the state or country.

Fec

They corrected the headline in the print edition.

Tim

Mary Rakestraw said this?

"I feel confident in the hotel and the people behind it that I have met."

Now that comes as a SHOCK to me. I think it gives us an idea where council is leaning in this project.

Joe Killian

I sometimes think we - the writers - should be writing the headlines ourselves.

But then I think of all the lousy headlines I myself have suggested over the years.

Roch101

I'm not getting it, or I missed it. What is/was the problem with the headline?

Fec

The dead tree headline:

"Council vote on projects was binding"

Ed Cone

I didn't think "City clears up bond project confusion" quite captures the situation detailed in the quotes that follow.

Andrew Brod

I'm with you, Joe. More than once I've opened the paper to see a headline that fails to capture even the gist of my column (formerly in the N&R, now in the BizJ). It gets worse when the occasional kibbitzer stops me out on the town to criticize me for the headline over my column.

Mel

We had a reporter years ago who worked on the copy desk for a few nights to see what it was like, writing headlines and editing stories and the countless other things we do. After he had finished his tour of duty, all he could talk about was how hard it was.

It's easy to criticize headlines when you aren't the one writing dozens of them in a night. And do we hit the nail with every one? No. But I think we do a pretty damn good job with limited words the majority of the time.

And Joe, I thought that most of the headlines on stories that go online during the day were written by the reporters? I'm only here at night, so I don't know.

-- N&R copy editor

Roch101

Copy editor nails hard with few words.

Fec

Copy editor scary.

Ed Cone

I love copy editors. They routinely save writers from embarrassment or worse, and they also tend to be smart word-nerds, which I find appealing.

I've hated plenty of headlines written by others for my stuff, and I've written plenty of bad ones myself.

In this case, the details of the story are so twisted that it would be hard to write a non-sarcastic hed that does them justice.

Fec

Need copy editor.

triadwatch

check out this post at triadwatch with a cost analysis on the proposed hotel sent to andy scott the other day enjoy the 52 page reading here is the link,

TRIADWATCH

triadwatch

As shown in the above table, there is a very wide discrepancy between the
developer’s projections of occupancy, and the occupancy projected by HVS.
We note that the developer may be presenting projections made by the
Atlanta office of HVS in early 2008, as well as projections made by at least one
other hotel consultant. We have not reviewed the feasibility study prepared
in February 2008 by HVS – Atlanta for Mr. Randall Kaplan. We believe that
any feasibility study performed prior to the fourth quarter of 2008 can no
longer be relied upon as the market for hotel accommodations has
deteriorated drastically since that time, and available financing for new hotel
projects has disappeared.

just a little tidbit from analysis

Joe Killian

Mel:

Yeah, whenever I write a headline for the web during the day I'm awful at it.

I try to remember that any time I have complaints about a headline - or, as happens more often, the headline doesn't bother me but infuriates someone else who then yells at me.

I wouldn't really want to have to do any of the stuff the folks on the desk do.

Joe Killian

In this particular case there's almost no winning with the headline.

Was the primary confusion cleared up? Yes - all the questions about whether it was binding or not binding were answered at the state level. People feeling angry or misled doesn't make it confusing - it just makes them angry or misled about something that's now clear.

That doesn't mean it's clear to everyone, though.

Was it "binding?" It seems not, the way I read the story.

triadwatch

joe, what does don linder want with 19 million of the county part of this issue?

Joe Killian

Working on that for the paper.

Ed Cone

JK, find out if/what Alston gets paid for brokering the deal, wouldja?

Joe Killian

He doesn't have to disclose that to me - indeed, he doesn't seem to have disclosed his involvement in the project to the other commissioners, some of whom found out about it when I wrote about it - but trust me that's one of many questions I will be putting to him.

Fec

I trust there will also be an admission by the commissioners of their complicity.

Joe Killian

You'll be very interested to read what they have to say about it in tomorrow's N&R.

Tony Wilkins

Ed, on the "Amateur Night" photo posted.
Are you referring to city council or Andy Scott or something else all together?

Ed Cone

TW, it looks to me that both Council and staff dropped the ball. What's your take?

Tony Wilkins

Leaning more toward staff in this case. But this has been confusing for all (maybe all) involved except the hotel players.

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