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Sep 09, 2008

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Roch101

And I just linked to Under the Dome's Dole-critical analysis of the "Fibber Kay" ad.

http://projects.newsobserver.com/under_the_dome/claims_dept_dole_on_fibber_kay

mick

Hey Protzman...

I hear MSNBC thinks Olberman and Matthews lean left. What do you think?

Ed Cone

Apples and oranges.

MSNBC has recast itself as a liberal version of Fox News. Last I checked, the N&O was claiming the old standards of objectivity.

mick

Perhaps.

I think "recast" is a stretch and find "admitted" more accurate.

Someone had to bring it up. Seems a biggish story worthy of comment but I just havent been able to find much yet. Hmmmm.


James Protzman

The Dome seems to have its own set of rules, which are different than the N&O's rules. Several of their bloggers have stopped by BlueNC to 'splain their operations.

It basically comes down to this: they post what campaigns feed them. That doesn't make them evil, it just makes them tools.

And the truth is, the right wing in North Carolina out-markets and out-hustles the left every day of every week. Art Pope spends $5 million a year in the business of manufacturing opinions that get placed in newspapers all across the state. At the N&O, Pope's Puppets get mentioned six times more frequently than their progressive counterparts.

I'm not sure it's intentional. It could just be lazy.

Ed Cone

Maybe they should have a separate blog that functions as a clearinghouse for press releases.

I want news and analysis from the N&O's political team.

Ryan Teague Beckwith

For the record, I don't think I or anyone else at the N&O has ever said that we post whatever the campaigns feed us, or that our standards are different from the rest of the newspaper.

Thanks!

— RTB

James Protzman

You're right, Ryan. No one has said that ... it just looks that way. My comment above is a reaction to this post at BlueNC.

Your criticism is fair, though. This is clearly my interpretation, my personal attempt to explain something I don't quite understand.

J

Spag

What Protzman must really mean is that the N&O is being even handed, which is another term for "leaning conservative".

"MSNBC has recast itself as a liberal version of Fox News"

Except that FOX News actually allows people with differing views on their programs. That dog won't hunt. MSNBC is NOT simply the opposite of FOX.

justcorbly

I watch neither, but whatever Fox is and whatever MSNBC is doing, is done with an eye to their ad revenue, not to their alleged political convictions. They just want to draw an audience that's large enough to turn a profit. Meaning that MSNBC and Fox and just about any other network would run dancing dogs 24/7 if sufficient numbers of people watched.

Roch101

Spag, what the hell are you talking about? In addition to regular conservative commentators, Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchannan, other conservative guests are on MSNBC all the time. In the past few days alone: Tim Pawlenty, Mort Zuckerman, McCain campaign manager Rick Davis, Ron Silver, McCain senior adviser Nicolle Wallace, Chrystia Freeland, Kay Bailey Hutchinson and Rudy Giuliani.

You might even remember that the recent hot-mic condemnation of the Palin selection being "bullshit" was made by conservative operative Peggy Noonan... on MSNBC.

So where is this notion that MSNBC doesn't offer conservative opinion coming from? Please tell me you too haven't shuffled off to the land of make believe.

Ed Cone

I don't even watch the network, yet I know (via the blogs) that the new host (Maddow?) had Pat Buchanan on her inaugural show last night.

Fred Gregory

Roch,

Nice try albeit feeble. Tell it to Tom Brokaw who is uncomfortable with what has happened over at DNCNBC. That cable network has been taken over by lefties whose views you love to love. The conservative guests are a rarity and are met with angry, hostile questions and ridicule. They have been non-existent on Krazy Keith's hour of hate.

Get a grip. It isn't Spag who is in the land of make believe. As I suggested elsewhere, Roch, you really need to get yourself one of

These

Roch101

Fred, you devastate me with your facts, sir. Your astute observations of empirical reality are unassailable. My petty name-calling, empty rhetoric and school boy taunts are no match for you. I concede.

Doug & Dinsdale Piranha

Freddie: You like YouTube. You LOVE YouTube links. So you should dig this one. It's about you.

Spag

"Tim Pawlenty, Mort Zuckerman, McCain campaign manager Rick Davis, Ron Silver, McCain senior adviser Nicolle Wallace, Chrystia Freeland, Kay Bailey Hutchinson and Rudy Giuliani."

Do any of them work for MSNBC? Does Olbermann ever have any of them on his show?

The nightly lineup at MSNBC is Matthews, Olbermann and Maddow. Liberal, liberal and liberal.

justcorbly

>>"MSNBC is Matthews, Olbermann and Maddow. Liberal, liberal and liberal."

Then go watch Fox. Conservative, conservative, conservative.

Look. Someone complained that MSNBC was the Source of All Evil because it didn't bring on conservatives. Someone rattled off a long list of just the most recent conservative guests on MSNBC. Then, somone else complained that none of them actually work for MSNBC.

I suppose this means that conservatives won't be satisfied until all networks employ only bone fide conservatives? When can we expect the political commissars to arrive?

Thirty years ago it was possible to disagree with conservatives but still respect them. Not now.

Roch101

I'm sorry Sam, when you implied that MSNBC never "allows people with differing views on their programs" I thought you meant that MSNBC never allows people with differing views on their programs. That's why I posted the names of all those people with "differing views" that had, in fact, appeared on MSNBC within the past five days. I didn't know that what you meant to say is that MSNBC doesn't have any prime-time shows hosted by conservatives.

But wait, that can't be right either because your comparison was to Fox which, aw shucks, doesn't have any liberal prime time hosts. So I'm not sure of what your complaint is exactly, except that it isn't what you originally complained about and that it seems to require that you ignore the absence of ANY liberal hosts on FOX, morning, noon or night, and that conservative Republican Joe Scarborough has his own show on MSNBC.

Spag

Name them, Corbly.

Name them, Roch.

And while you are at it, if MSNBC is liberal and FOX News is conservative, and FOX News beats the crap out of MSNBC every night usually 3 to 1, can we conclude that most of America is conservative?

Fred Gregory

Hey you anonymous cowards..Brothers Doug and Dins.. That was sweet..I luv driving you cretins to such infantile insults and to show my appreciation for the sandbox antics here is a token of it from

Your mother, friends and wife

Now buzz off.

PS: Ed control your bots, please !!

Roch101

"Name them, Roch." -- Spag

Name who? What are you talking about?

James Protzman

Justcorbly said:

Thirty years ago it was possible to disagree with conservatives but still respect them. Not now.

From my years in the Navy and from growing up in a Southern Baptist family, I still know a few conservatives whom I respect, but they are harder and harder to find.

Most of my family and military friends display a certainty that they are right about everything, a certainty that obviates the need for introspection. I trace that back to their confidence that god is on their side. This is why Palin scares the crap out of me. If figure god has already told one idiot to start a war in the middle east ... do we really want another person getting secret signs that the rest of us can't see?

KevinW

"...if MSNBC is liberal and FOX News is conservative, and FOX News beats the crap out of MSNBC every night usually 3 to 1, can we conclude that most of America is conservative?"

We might could conclude that conservatives watch more tee-vee...

Back to lurk mode...

justcorbly

It's the certainty and the unwillingness to question and entertain doubt that worries me as well, and not any tenet of the conservative faith. Unquestioning belief that you are doing God's will, or the will of history, provides sanction for any conceivable behavior, no matter how destructive. One would think the 20th century taught us the dangers of unquestioning reliance on any ideology or faith.

We see this played to political advantage within the subtext of the conservative movement, i.e., where criticism of political behavior is often framed as criticism of religious belief.

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