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Aug 17, 2006

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Lex

Sockpuppets!

Samuel Spagnola

I have said before that Hunter is asking for a bar complaint with some of her tactics.

Jeffrey Sykes

Connie is the poster boy for how not to use the web to enhance a political campaign.

I never heard of RLH until I saw his posts on various sites. I came away with a negative impression of her via her web site and CMB's incoherence.

Dr. Mary Johnson

Like the NC State Bar is going to do anything about political "tactics" (or "ethics" or anything else).

sean coon

man, you've got the patience of a saint.

Ruby Sinreich

Ed, why are you playing softball with these people? I would have banned their IP address(es), contacted their ISP, and looked up the number for the SBI by now. Not to mention the N&O/N&R... is anyone covering this race?

Ed Cone

Because I run my personal weblog as a quasi-journalistic endeavor, Ruby, and the Rachel for Justice campaign is a legit story I've covered for a long time, and the comments are part of that story.

What I can't have is people using other commenters' names.

Also, as a personal blogger I am happy to have never banned a commenter, and I'd like to see if comments can stay wide open yet be kept useful. I like to see the community police itself, and in a messy way it tends to do so. Over the years I've had plenty of trolls, obsessives, and other uninteresting commenters spend their time here, but open commenting has endured.

Connie Mack Jr

Oh come on Ed! Why do you think I left the IP website link? I wanted to prove a point how you have taken nothing but cheap shots at the RLH campaign from day one going back two years without checking out one fact to be true. It's your site and you can do anything you want. But to leave some of the personal attacks on RLH at your site by unknown parties is beyound the pale of human passion. Shame on you for promoting personal hate at a good lady.

Connie Mack Jr

I have said before that Hunter is asking for a bar complaint with some of her tactics.*Samuel Spagnola

Sam you need to get up to Speed! 3 have been file by two unknowns and one by a lawyer in Greensboro who can't find the unsubscribe button on e-mail alerts. You can find the complaints on the RLH website in full detail with responses by RLH. How many candiates do you know do full discloser to the public and the phony complaints?

Ed Cone

I have not promoted personal hate, although I have pointed to an often inappropriate and apparently out-of-control campaign for a serious and important office.

I would like to say that your comments have done as much damage as anything else to her campaign, but looking back on a record that includes the "Madame Justice" farce,the radical swings in ideology, the phony endorsement claim, and the race-baiting rhetoric, well, I'm afraid your comments deserve only dishonorable mention.

jw

Ed,
You do a better than most of us in monitoring comments and bringing closure to an issue that has blossomed into something else. I'm amazed you haven't banned someone. Things can get pretty ugly here sometimes, but I think you're absolutely right that people will sink on the weight of their own words when given the opportunity. As someone who knew little about the RLH campaign, my feelings about it came not from what YOU said, but from what Mack said.

Connie Mack Jr

have not promoted personal hate, although I have pointed to an often inappropriate and apparently out-of-control campaign for a serious and important office.

I would like to say that your comments have done as much damage as anything else to her campaign, but looking back on a record that includes the "Madame Justice" farce,the radical swings in ideology, the phony endorsement claim, and the race-baiting rhetoric, well, I'm afraid your comments deserve only dishonorable mention.

Wow Ed! So we are back to those 3 meltdowns answers by the RLH campaign? Have you any proof or polls to prove a great meltdown has occured except by your own opinion?

Ed! I challenged you to interview RLH and call her out on the phony 3 charges or issues to prove that you are a fair and balance reporter? RLH will be in Greensboro for 3 speeches next week. Can I expect you to show and point out the phony racist charge before a group that thinks otherwise?

Fec Stench

Would that Connie worked for Vernon.

Connie Mack Jr

Would that Connie worked for Vernon.* Fec


Naw! The question is would you work for Vernon like Ed is doing with his little story today about Vernon being smart?

Dr. Mary Johnson

Ruby, as an "obsessive" pursuing a case of perjury/contempt Ed doesn't care about, let me tell you what I've been told: Contrary to popular belief, the SBI does not take complaints from the general public.

Matters have to be referred to the the Bureau by a law enforcement agency or official for investigation. Moreover EVEN if a case does get referred (let's say by the police), if the DA with jurisdiciton indicates a lack of interest in prosecution (no matter what the outcome of an investigation or the merits of the case), the SBI will NOT actually investigate. Their position is that they do not have the manpower to waste on a case the DA won't prosecute.

It's kind of backwards, as I was always under the impression that an alleged crime had to be investigated before a decision about prosecution was made.

Even the Attorney General cannot tell a local DA what to do. So it's absolute power.

And you know what they say about that.

So even if Ed finds the phone number, unless he pals around with the DA, the SBI won't take the call. As for campaigns, until Jim Black bites the dust, I'm not holding my breath on "ethics" meaning much in NC politics.

Sigivald

How many candidates do do full "discloser"?

And can they do that in public?

(And how does pretending to be someone you're not make the point you want?

"I, an employee of the RLH campaign, can pretend to be someone else and say things, so, uh, web comments are lame. Because I, an RLH employee, lied and impersonated someone"?

You might want to think those implications through. Maybe ask your employer about the image you present.

I mean, congratulations! This thread has turned someone who'd never heard of Rachel Hunter into someone who doesn't trust her, because of the people she employs and their actions! Way to go!

It doesn't help that the impersonation was thoroughly amateurish, either. I could at least respect quality skullduggery, in a way.)

rivlax

Ed, Why give them a second chance? Ban them now. Impersonation is a capital offense on my lacrosse site forum. Do it once and you're gone. Why are you waiting?

Ed Cone

My policy has been to issue a warning first, rivlax.

Ellers Ellison "Ellsberg" McWilson


Jealous much?

Connie Mack Berry has had his statements read on the floor of the Senate, has a law degree, and is author of the New York Times Best Selling Book “How Would Rachel Hunter Act?” His comments often lead to front-page stories on most major newspapers in the country. And he has one of the most-read blogs on the Interent, after just 9 months of blogging. I love how all you super-important rightwing bloggers attack me, I mean him, just to get traffic.

I bid you GOOD DAY, sir.

Tatterdemalian

"Why do you think I left the IP website link?"

Smart money's on "gross incompetance."

I wonder how "I tried to steal the identites of two blog commenters... and failed" would look on a poster...

Samuel Spagnola

Nice Willy Wonka reference there. Gene Wilder is the ONLY Willy Wonka..

Svenn Sveenwald

Well, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Samuel Spagnola

Well, a little nonsense, now and then, is relished by the wisest men. ...

AMac

Ellers Ellison Ellsberg McWilson's "GOOD DAY, sir" comment above is an amusing riff on this recent sock-puppetry kerfluffle.

Frank G

wow. I followed the link from Instaguy to this thread, then read the other couple RH posts. Connie Mack, you are completely losing it, aren't you? Seek medical help. Now. If RH is your wife, you are doing SERIOUS damage to your reputation and hers, if any remains. Good day

Barry Kearns

Shortly after the Greenwald circus came to town, I put together a little snippet or two of PHP code to generate and display a hash of the IP address that folks were posting from... allowing users to spot a large percentage of sockpuppetry as soon as it happens.

It helps distribute the load of identifying these cretins without compromising the privacy of legitimate posters.

Pixy Misa has incorporated the concept into the "new comments thingy" at Ace of Spaces HQ.

I'd encourage anyone and everyone who'd like to reduce the prevalence of sockpuppetry to take the concept and incorporate it into your blog templates.

Connie Mack Jr

Connie Mack, you are completely losing it, aren't you? Seek medical help.* Frank g

Thanks Frank! How long have you been out of pysch 101 with your impressive resume on human internet mental health?

Connie Mack Jr

Why give them a second chance? Ban them now. Impersonation is a capital offense on my lacrosse site forum. Do it once and you're gone. Why are you waiting?* rivlax


rivlax! How many Duke lacrosse players have you send to the electric chair in the past year?

Have you consider a career in Criminal Justice with your vast knowledge of criminal offenses on the net?

Connie Mack Jr

"I, an employee of the RLH campaign, can pretend to be someone else and say things, so, uh, web comments are lame. Because I, an RLH employee, lied and impersonated someone"?

You might want to think those implications through. Maybe ask your employer about the image you present.

I mean, congratulations! This thread has turned someone who'd never heard of Rachel Hunter into someone who doesn't trust her, because of the people she employs and their actions! Way to go!

It doesn't help that the impersonation was thoroughly amateurish, either. I could at least respect quality skullduggery, in a way.)*Sigivald

"your employer about the image you present."

Hi Sligivald! The last time I check. I couldn't find a employee camoaign check made out to me for services render!

Have you consider with your vast knowledge of campaigning accounting to work for Jack Abramoff former firm as a auditor?

AMac

The First Law of Holes.

Bill M

I take it Connie Mack Berry Jr is not necessarily from the deep end of the gene pool.

Connie Mack Jr

I take it Connie Mack Berry Jr is not necessarily from the deep end of the gene pool.*Bill M

Feel better Bill? I know it is tough trying to dream up personal stuff on the net.

Surely a genius with superior genes like yours could up with a better comment than that?

Have you consider researching your past roots to see if your great, great, great, great, great, great , great grandmother was a victum of a Viking NA Brownshirt raid?

Eric Covener

Have you consider a career in Criminal Justice with your vast knowledge of criminal offenses on the net? * Connie Mack Jr

Have you consider (sic) a career as a 12 year-old girl on myspace.com with your mongoloid's grasp of sentence structure and elementrary school caliber quips?

Connie Mack Jr

Have you consider (sic) a career as a 12 year-old girl on myspace.com with your mongoloid's grasp of sentence structure and elementrary school caliber quips?* Eric Covener

Not really Eric! I am a senior citizen. Respect your elders first than I might consider a career change in a dress.

MarkF

Are you blaming your behaviour on senility, then?

Connie Mack Jr

Are you blaming your behaviour on senility, then?*MarkF


That might be true student Mark. Most senior citizens call them senior moments. In your case, you have no excuse except to plea total stupidity as a victum of Pop culture.

Laurie

Connie:
Hmm. This is the first time I read this comment thread. Now I see why you thought I was influenced by these comments. Perhaps a more rational person would take away from this that since many known Democrat bloggers think you're a negative influence, more professional conduct and a mature attempt to deal with criticism might be the way to go. But, I suppose that you'll copy my comment and fling out some defensive weirdness in response instead of taking a breath and saying, "Just what the hell am I doing here?"

Anyway, enjoy your trolldom, since it drives all this negative traffic to your wife's web site. The fact that you believe that is a good thing shows how far the rabbit hole you've fallen. Although I'll admit that it has been somewhat entertaining to watch a negative politician self-combust, I enjoy it much better when it's a Republican.

meblogin

Connie and wife,

You have convinced me to support someone else...geez..anyone else will do!!

Good job? Congrats?

meblogin

steve b

At this point I'm assuming that the person purporting to be Connie Mack Jr. in this thread is another sock-puppet. I simply can't imagine a professional political advisor, or simply a mature adult for that matter, engaging in an exchange of childish insults with any and all comers in a (somewhat) anonymous forum like this. Certainly a comment or two defending yourself against the accusation.... but the whole exchange of "have you considered.... " insult posts? It's beyond belief. I expect the next exchange to end with a couple rounds of: "I know you are, but what am I?"

Connie Mack Jr

insult posts? It's beyond belief. I expect the next exchange to end with a couple rounds of: "I know you are, but what am I?"* steve b

but the whole exchange of "have you considered.... " insult posts? * Steve B

Right Steve! Have you consider why you can't tell us about your professional career as a blogger?

The Reckoning

To those wondering about the NC State Bar taking action against Rachel Lea Hunter, they have. The NC State Bar issued an order to Rachel Lea Hunter demanding that she cease and desist the use of the name "Madame Justice".

Cary, NC blogger John Barbara has a copy of the complaint posted on his blog along with some commentary. Actually, he had quite a few posts about the antics of Rachel Lea Hunter's campaign. Connie Mack Berry, Jr. isn't allowed to post but anyone else is welcome.

http://johnforcary.livejournal.com/40991.html

The Reckoning

The Rachel Lea Hunter campaign is just getting stranger by the minute. According to the Raleigh News and Observer, Connie Mack Berry Jr. is a CONVICTED FELON.

"Spouse's role limited

Connie Mack Berry Jr., the husband of state Supreme Court candidate Rachel Lea Hunter, can do many things to help his wife's campaign: put up yard signs, hand out campaign literature, extol her virtues on blogs.

But he cannot vote for her.

Berry, 67, was convicted in Georgia years ago of swindling customers of his jewelry business, according to news reports in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Berry is active in his wife's unconventional campaign. She has been disowned by state Democrat Party leaders for describing a black Republican candidate as a slave, rebuked by former UNC basketball coach Dean Smith for claiming he endorsed her, and rebuffed in an effort to get her nickname, "Madame Justice," on the ballot. State election officials said the nickname would mislead the public because Hunter has never been a judge.

Hunter, a Cary lawyer, is running against an incumbent, Mark Martin, who has been an associate justice since 1998.

Berry was convicted in Georgia in 1997 of bilking 27 customers out of $285,000, according to newspaper reports. He was sentenced to 30 months in prison and ordered to pay restitution during 7 1/2 years of probation. Berry was accused of taking gold and silver he never paid for. Berry was already in prison on charges related to a money order scam and replacing a diamond on a customer's ring with a fake stone, according to news accounts.

In 1983, Berry faced charges in Florida for swindling 37 customers out of $75,000, according to news accounts. He pleaded no contest to four misdemeanors for failing to fill orders for precious metals. He was fined $2,500 and given a year's probation."

Connie Mack Jr

Hi John! Still knocking yourself out with your Republican obession and addicted issues to smear the RLH campaign.. It goes nowhere dude. Below is a statement release to the Reporter 2 weeks ago from the N&O. I have nothing to hid! What about you with your hidden persona at this thread. Have a nice day John and stop calling my Dog gay.


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In response to your inquiry regarding my past criminal record, I am neither a candidate for office nor am I listed on the ballot for any political office in this state. However, I offer the following explanation. At the time of my conviction, to which I plead nolo contendere, I had lost my wife and sister within a two (2) month period due to brain aneurysms. I also suffered from lymphoma and stomach cancer and was undergoing chemotherapy and surgical treatments. Under the advice of my attorneys, it was easier to enter a plea and not incur any additional intense stress in a complicated and complex case. I did not seek appeal for my past plea.

After my release, the IRS conducted a full and thorough investigation and could not find any evidence of gain in either my corporate or personal affairs. I have in my files a letter from the IRS absolving me of any taxes or fines. I have been a model citizen for the past ten years.

This is the reason why I have a great interest in the justice system in this state and nation. I have fully expected this charge to be brought up in this as well as in the prior campaign. I have never hidden this charge from others in either my public or private life.

The NC GOP has consistently engaged in conduct more befitting of the Mafia depicted in the Sopranos in this and the last campaign from their increasingly nasty remarks and tactics. The NC GOP leadership should look to their national congressmen, lobbyists and other prominent persons who have been convicted or are under investigation - they represent one of the most corrupt administrations in the history of the US government.

One further note, I have been accused of being the Town of Cary "town drunk" and of living off "welfare" checks by the thugs of the NC GOP political machine. I fully expect that the next charge will be that my beloved's campaign mascot, "Max the Dog" will be accused of being a homosexual.

Neither me nor my beloved will allow ourselves to be dragged into "rabbit trails" in this campaign.

Connie Mack Jr

The Reckoning

Convicted Felon Connie Mack Berry, Jr.,

You are still a CONVICTED FELON. Matt McWilliams must be having a field day with this bit of information you purposely withheld! Ha! Ha! Go ahead Connie, blame everyone else for your actions. At least now we know why you always make homesexual references in your rants.

Th, th, th, that's all folks!

Connie Mack Jr

NC blogger John Barbara has a copy of the complaint posted on his blog along with some commentary* John Barbara or his buddies

Oh John! I forgot about your secret bar complaint. It was dismiss without cause. You may find the full answer and response later this week on the RLH campaign site. You are 0 for 2 with the bar. Do you plan to file a complaint with Homeland security about my so-called death threat to you?

Now get out there and really smear me and my dog on the net.

The Reckoning

Convicted Felon Connie Mack Berry, Jr.

Looks like John Barbara has filed another complaint. This one is taking a much more serious turn for you. Looks like the State Board of Elections and the Cary Police Department will be involved. Oops.

http://johnforcary.livejournal.com/46094.html

johnb

I have just filed a comlaint with the Board of Elections against Connie Berry Jr. He is not only a convicted felon, but he is registered to vote in North Carolina and has been voting in North Carolina elections. I have also communicated that information to the reporter with the NandO that exposed Connie Berry as a felon and to the Detective with the Cary Police who has taken the matter of the death threat Connie conveyed on the ncrumors web site to the District Attorney. The fact that Connie Berry is a convicted felon and is currently violating state law with respect to his voting elevates the death threats to something more sinister.

Check here:

http://johnforcary.livejournal.com/46094.html

and here:

http://johnforcary.livejournal.com/45857.html

Having fun Ed?

Connie Mack Jr

with this bit of information you purposely withheld! * John Barbara

I have made over 35 speeches to public innocent groups in the past 9 years about my past and sought the release of innocent convicted felons with major legal institutions though a foundation that I set up in 1998 call Diesel Therapy Inc. Over 20 wrongly convicted felons were release to my personal efforts and leading normal model citizen s lifes. What have you done besides smear good innocent folks in politics?

Connie Mack Jr

" The degree of civilization can be judge by observing it's prisoners" * Dostoyevsky

johnb

Mr Berry,

Are you legally allowed to register to vote and vote in the State of North Carolina in light of your Georgia felony convictions?

JohnB

The Reckoning

Convicted Felon Connie Mack Berry, Jr.,

Sooner or later the day comes when you can no longer hide from the things you have done. Your children have come home. Today.

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