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Jun 21, 2006

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Bubba

Only one small problem that Josh forgets to mention: FDR did not have the internet to deal with, and he also did not have a 24/7 broadcast media that is hungry for content, and doesn't mind filling it up with some agenda-driven orientation in the process......especially once they got a chance to jump off the pro war bandwagon.

Doug H

True, but you also had people growing Victory Gardens, dealing with gas rationing, rubber for tires was scarce, etc, etc. And STILL, they had confidence in their President's handling of the war.

How many now, I wonder, would be in the same frame of mind about Iraq if they had to do the same.

Bubba

"How many now, I wonder, would be in the same frame of mind about Iraq if they had to do the same."

Very few, becuase they would be constantly bombarded by messages about how bad things are. That's the whole point.

Doug H

Nothing to do with how the President is handling thing, eh? It's all the media.

Ed Cone

1. The establishment press shilled for the war.

2. The war has not gone well.

3. The press has reported that the war has not gone well.

It's true that the press served the country poorly, but saying it did so via item 3 rather than item 1 is a tough sell.

Bubba

"Nothing to do with how the President is handling thing, eh? It's all the media."

Not all the media's fault. Their cronies in the "Loyal Opposition" give them plenty of soundbites to help the cause.

Here's what Michael Barone says


Noteworthy excerpt:

"It comes down to this: A substantial part of the Democratic Party, some of its politicians and many of its loudest supporters do not want America to succeed in Iraq. So vitriolic and all-consuming is their hatred for George W. Bush that they skip right over the worthy goals we have been, with some considerable success, seeking there -- a democratic government, with guaranteed liberties for all, a vibrant free economy, respect for women -- and call this a war for oil, or for Halliburton."


"It's true that the press served the country poorly, but saying it did so via item 3 rather than item 1 is a tough sell."

Really?

Let's take a look at some of the early nonsense from the usual media suspects

It hasn't gotten any better since then.

Bubba

Here's the missing Barone link from my last post

meblogin

Ed,

....and what is your solution?

Ed Cone

To what?

chip atkinson

By all accounts the war is going well. The Iraq government is in place and over 250,000 troops and police trained- all before we can even agree on plans to rebuild the twin towers. Our military has performed remarkably well with minimal losses. (And now we've discovered over 500 WMD shells in Iraq).

Terrorist organizations have seen their infracture and support destroyed, while their missions have been thwarted in Europe and America. This is why so many Democrats are looking so foolish- you don't leave and redeploy when you are winning.

Connie Mack Jr

(And now we've discovered over 500 WMD shells in Iraq). *chip atkinson

You mean 500 cans of used Raid spray WMD's that we sold them in 1984 that never work to fight Iran.

Ed Cone

"By all accounts the war is going well."

I love this line. It's not only contrafactual, it's sweepingly contrafactual.

500 shells? Sorry, not what you want it to be.

Plenty of room for intelligent discussion and debate about what to do there, and some room for analysis on how things are actually going on the ground...but WMD and by all accounts going well? Not quite.

Bubba

"Sorry, not what you want it to be."

Let's take a look at what your link DID NOT say.

Noteworthy:

"But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions."

"The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may have been used outside Iraq.

He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly after the March 2003 invasion saying that 'we had all known weapons facilities secured,' has proven itself to be untrue.

'It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump,' he said, adding that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them."

Connie Mack Jr

a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them."*Bubba

Come on Bubba! Even the former Republican Guard wasn't that stupid enough to mix the bad cheap discount WW1 stuff with the good stuff.

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