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Apr 15, 2006

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Paul Elledge

For once, I agree that a Democratic-Republican race actually does represent a choice. I don't agree with Vernon Robinson on everything, but he does have some very strong libertarian leanings. I hope he wins.

Ed Cone

Strong libertarian leanings? You mean like empowering the state to make decisions about women's reproductive choices? Or is it the state-sanctioned religion you endorse, Paul? Or the selective allocation of civil rights to people based on sexual orientation?

I know he's pushing other small government stuff that appeals to you. How's that working out after years of GOP control of Congress and the White House?

As someone who wants government to leave me alone, Robinson scares me a lot more than Miller.

sean coon

from watching robinson's advertisement, his idea of a perfect afternoon seems to be picking off illegal immigrants with a rifle while serving a tall lemonade to the republican whip. dude is seriously messed up.

and so is the party that he serves. check out the comment john ross hendrix left on my post about robinson. specifically, the third paragraph.

Jim Capo

Ed,
Though they show up as planks in just about every State GOP platform in the country, I think you simply boasted two things that do not show up on Paul's list of agreement.

Contrary to his flaccid primary opponent, Robinson's positions on bringing our troops home from the outposts of empire and returning our nation to honest money would be two huge steps in directing your tax payments towards a better society.

P.S. The reason smaller government hasn't been realized under GOP control is because most elected GOPers, unlike Robinson, are total phonies on that concept.

Paul Elledge

Ed,

Jim spoke pretty well for me, especially his point about how you mentioned two things on which I certainly disagree with Robinson.

Besides a return to honest money, I believe Robinson honestly favors abolishing the Federal Reserve and the IRS, two of the most important steps that Libertarians would take in returning America to freedom.

Ed Cone

I pointed to those items as reasons why Robinson may not be quite so ideal a Libertarian candidate. Be real - banning abortion is a lot more likely to happen than changing our monetary system. Your vote for him might be in support of one principle, but you would end up with the thing you oppose.

Jim Caserta

Ed is pointing out the classic bait-n-switch many Republicans use, although more use the "we'll outlaw abortion" to get into office and then enact "pro-business" legislation.

Ed, don't worry about Robinson. He lost the election to his city council seat by almost 2-1. Voting against him was the only reason I went to the polls last year.

Paul Elledge

Oh, come on, Ed. Let me make my position more clear.

First of all, look back at my original statement. I said, "...but he does have some very strong libertarian leanings."

Note the word "some." That indicates that he's only partially libertarian. Then I used the word "leanings." If you lean towards libertarian, then you're not libertarian; you're only close to it--on some issues, in Vernon's case.

I never said he's a libertarian, and I most definitely never said he would be a good Libertarian candidate, much less an ideal one. Vernon asked me to get Guilford LP to endorse him, and we declined because of his stances, for example, on the issues you mention.

I never said I would vote for him either. I only said I hope he wins.

Ed Cone

Ah, silly me.

You didn't say you would vote for him, just that you hope he wins.

And saying he has some strong libertarian leanings doesn't mean you are unaware of his strong anti-libertarian leanings.

Got it.

Paul Elledge

Wow. Ok, I owe you a word of thanks, Ed, for bringing me back to my senses. Despite the fact that I often preach the severe fallacy of choosing between the lesser of two evils, I'd fallen into that very fallacy myself here. We all slip up in our logic at times.

John Ross Hendrix

There are a couple of points that need further discussion. The return to honest money, and bringing our troops home from bases around the world.

My primary opponent claims to have worked in Air Force intellignece, but he doesn't seem to use much intelligence. My wife, who served 15 years in Naval Intelligence, and My son, who has served 2 tours in Iraq with the 82d Airborne Division intelligence, both agree that to close our overseas bases is one of the most stupid things we could do. (see my web site for the quotes)

As far as the honest money situation goes, I agree that it would be a good idea, but trying to bring it about is another thing. Without utter secrecy, the money markets and precious metals exchanges would go insane before it could ever happen. This could be utter disaster for our economic system.

But Vernon Robinson has set himself up as a precious metals dealer. He should be able to come out of the chaos ok. (see my web site for the reference.)

John Ross Hendrix
www.hendrixcampaign.com

Connie Mack Jr.

And My son, who has served 2 tours in Iraq with the 82d Airborne Division intelligence, both agree that to close our overseas bases is one of the most stupid things we could do. (see my web site for the quotes)* john

So does my son John! He hates the tour because of the lying of our leadership is bs. We are there to stay. You can't explain away a billion dollar building State department in downtown Baghdad nor 44 new prisons build by Haliburton nor 17 new military perment bases. Do you really believe that the new and amazing Iraq military will have control of them in the future?

As far as the honest money situation goes, I agree that it would be a good idea, but trying to bring it about is another thing. Without utter secrecy, the money markets and precious metals exchanges would go insane before it could ever happen. This could be utter disaster for our economic system.* john


Remind me not buy gold from you John when it reaches 650 bucks in the future anytime....oops..forget that since it appears that the paper markets have proven the insane gold and silver markets would never affect the oil markets nor the price of gasoline as of today with utter disaster for our economic system.

But Vernon Robinson has set himself up as a precious metals dealer. He should be able to come out of the chaos ok. (see my web site for the reference.)* John

John Ross Hendrix
www.hendrixcampaign.com

The last time I check about individuals selling PM [ ie AU and AG] it was not against the law nor a conflict of interest if Brother Vernon wants to stash his coins under the bed. The real issue for Brother Vernon is that he has to report to Homeland defense and the IRS under the Patriot Act 2 any fool who buys over 10 grand must be reported instantly to them. Can I interest you in $9999.99 dollars in Gold John? Oops...forget that too! Brother Vernon is require to report you even if you look like a terrorist or appear to be a little nervious when purchasing the coins john.

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