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Mar 26, 2006

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Bubba

For every report like that, there are a dozen or more that report otherwise. The big difference is that the dozen or more that say otherwise don't write for the NYT, and have no reason not to report accurately.

Billy The Blogging Poet

My ten year old neice told me Friday, "I wish the President was a dog."

"Why do you wish the President was a dog?" I asked her.

"Because," she answered, "Bush sent Antion to Iraq."

Antion is my nephew and he hasn't had anything good to tell us about what's going on in Iraq. Nothing good at all.

Ed Cone

Yes, there is surely plenty of reporting available.

Ryan

The classic defense is that the media isn't reporting everything or we're not reading the good stories. Sure, that's fair enough. Now instead of just saying that we're not getting the whole story, how about pointing me to some good stories. I can point you to the bad, do your part and highlight some good.

Ed Cone

Here's a transcript from CNN about the difficulty in getting good-news articles out: "I really resent the fact that people say that we're not reflecting the true picture here. That's totally unfair and it's really unfounded."

Ed Cone

Let's be clear here: Bubba says there are many reports that "report otherwise" than the piece cited -- that implies that this report of violence and lack of control in the streets in Baghdad is false.

I am unaware of credible factual reports that contradict this information.

What is out there is plenty of news about life going on, schools opening, etc. That news is reported to some degree, but overshadowed by the bad news. This is what is addressed in the CNN clip.

Not reporting the bad news is dangerous, it's propaganda, and it can lead to some morally-blind arguments.

There is such a thing as reality. If the reality in Iraq is bad, we need to know it. If there is credible evidence that things are going well, we need to know that, too. But the preponderance of evidence is that things are in a dangerous moment over there.

Bubba

Isn't it amazing at how quickly all those who disagree with my opinion jump to the wrong conclusion? Pavlov should have studied anti war blog commenters, instead of dogs.

I am not talking about the reporting of good/bad news. I am talking about the doom and gloom air of despair that comes out in articles like the one we're talking about. The implication is made that there is no progress, no hope, and the whole thing is doomed to fail, and the Iraqis are resigned to their fate.

Let's get a perspective that I think is shared by more Iraqis than the opinions of the people the reporter picked to write about.

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/2006/03/third-anniversarysacrifice-fear-and.html

"We will not be defeated and orphans of the dark past will get what they deserve and our sacrifices and the sacrifices of those who stand with us shall not go in vain, our sacrifices will pave an easier road for those want to follow us when they decide it's time for them to change.

And yes…Iraq will be the model."

Bubba

".....that implies that this report of violence and lack of control in the streets in Baghdad is false."

My statement implied no such thing. With a statement like that, you are calling your own intellectual integrity into question.

Ed Cone

Bubba, I'm sorry if I misunderstood you, but your comment seemed clear: "For every report like that, there are a dozen or more that report otherwise. The big difference is that the dozen or more that say otherwise don't write for the NYT, and have no reason not to report accurately." (emphasis added)

If you don't mean to question the accuracy of the bad news I cited, then perhaps the fault lies not with your readers but your writing.

Bubba

My writing is not responsible for you jumping to the wrong conclusion, Ed.

Here is the very first value judgment you made in starting the thread. This was the statement I was responding to in my first comment.

"Jeffrey Gettleman is there, and what he's saying is not hopeful."

"Not Hopeful"? Not hopeful of what?

What do those words mean, Ed?

Ed Cone

It means exactly what it says -- that Gettleman reports as an eyewitness that the situation in Baghdad is not hopeful, given that we Americans hope for a peaceful and orderly transition to Iraqi rule, and he is comparing the place to Liberia.

Now, how does "...the dozen or more that say otherwise...have no reason not to report accurately" NOT imply that Gettleman's report is inaccurate?

greendog

Bubba, your proud stupidity is becoming mind-numbingly boring. You are seldom on the side of logic in these debates, and somehow that just makes you post more and focus in on minutiae. Your command of the language falls short, and you're slightly outclassed here. Get smarter, read more carefully, and think critically, and Ed and others won't have to kick your ass every day.

Unless you enjoy it for some sad reason.

Bubba

".....given that we Americans hope for a peaceful and orderly transition to Iraqi rule....."

Exactly the point. Hence, Iraq The Model as (prime) example #1.

By the way, We may both be wrong. Gettleman never actually said what we both (now) ascribe to him. He never made any prognostication. Also, he is to be commended for not using the "civil war" card.

Bubba

"Bubba, your proud stupidity is becoming mind-numbingly boring."

Then don't read my posts, little buddy.

But thanks for your comment. It lets me know I'm right on target.

Ed Cone

Does this mean you are just now getting around to reading the article you've been commenting on all day?

Gettleman said exactly what I quoted him as saying.

See, the parts in quotation marks are his words, the parts outside are my words.


Bubba

I am not questioning the material you quoted him as saying. I am questioning your implication that the whole deal is failing and is hopeless. What other reason would there be for me to post the link from Iraq the Model?

And by the way, drop the arrogance. You've been trying to pull this with Mary Johnson, too. The true meaning of the term "Coned" is becoming more clear with every response from you.

Rusty Sheridan

And the stereotyped perception of "bubbas" becomes more clear with every response from you.

Bubba

"And the stereotyped perception of "bubbas" becomes more clear with every response from you."

(yawn)

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